Only priest ordained for Archdiocese of New York this year - his 1st. Mass is EF Mass

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The bad news is only one priest was ordained for the Archdiocese of New York this year.
The good news is that priest offered a traditional Latin Missa Solemnis as his first Mass.

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People who see these photos would perhaps ordinarily ask: What traditional group is that?

Answer: Archdiocese of New York

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Wonderful!

And look at the transcendent beauty at the elevation of the Chalice…

Thanks for posting the pictures.
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People who see these photos would perhaps ordinarily ask: What traditional group is that?

Answer: Archdiocese of New York

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A good number of folks at my parish offered their support by attending his first mass. 👍
 
And he gave first Communion to his precious little niece, how sweet! I was a little surprised to see that the First Holy Communion girls weren’t wearing veils. Even in OF Masses around here, the majority of little girls wear them for their First Communion.

Just an aside though, congratulations to the new Fr.!!
 
May God grant his new faithful servant many happy, healthy and blessed years in Christ’s vineyard!
 
One note. Father was the only diocesan priest ordained for the Archdiocese.

There were 35 priests ordained in NY for the different religious communities that live and serve in NY.

Not to despair. NY is producing more priests than many other dioceses, not to the diocese that’s all.

Fr. D’Arcy is a very special young man. I like him very much. I’ll leave it at that.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
One note. Father was the only diocesan priest ordained for the Archdiocese.

There were 35 priests ordained in NY for the different religious communities that live and serve in NY.

Not to despair. NY is producing more priests than many other dioceses, not to the diocese that’s all.

Fr. D’Arcy is a very special young man. I like him very much. I’ll leave it at that.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
This isn’t counting Religious Brothers, either. Aren’t the Friars of the Renewal based out of the NY area?
 
One note. Father was the only diocesan priest ordained for the Archdiocese.

There were 35 priests ordained in NY for the different religious communities that live and serve in NY.

Not to despair. NY is producing more priests than many other dioceses, not to the diocese that’s all.

Fr. D’Arcy is a very special young man. I like him very much. I’ll leave it at that.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
I have read too that the main problem is that the Archdiocese recently changed its program by adding an additional year of philosophy. In fact they were expecting a “gap year” in which no new priests were ordained as a result of this extension, so Fr. D’Arcy’s ordination is a blessing. They are expecting something like 10 or more ordinations in two or three years’ time.
 
Not to despair. NY is producing more priests than many other dioceses, not to the diocese that’s all.
Hmm. However, Brother, it is the dioceses that are desperately desperately lacking in priests. It is a shortage of diocesan priests that is stretching diocesan priests to the limit. While your clarification is a good one (it’s wonderful to know that religious priests are being ordained), it doesn’t alleviate the despair at the tremendous lack of diocesan vocations – the priests whose job is to directly serve the laity. So while I applaud you adding the information about religious priests, I disagree with your assessment that it somehow negates the very sad fact that only one diocesan priest was ordained this year.
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Hmm. However, Brother, it is the dioceses that are desperately desperately lacking in priests. It is a shortage of diocesan priests that is stretching diocesan priests to the limit. While your clarification is a good one (it’s wonderful to know that religious priests are being ordained), it doesn’t alleviate the despair at the tremendous lack of diocesan vocations – the priests whose job is to directly serve the laity. So while I applaud you adding the information about religious priests, I disagree with your assessment that it somehow negates the very sad fact that only one diocesan priest was ordained this year.
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I kind of felt the same way. While it’s great to hear that religious orders are growing, with the fact that many religious are returning to a focus on the poor it can leave gaps in the priesthood in middle and upper income parishes. I know in my diocese we generally only have a single priest except for vary large parishes (i.e. 5000+) and smaller parishes end up having a single priest shared between 2 or 3 parishes that are often 50 - 75 miles apart. The few parishes that have 2 or more priest are generally taken care of by priestly fraternities.

As far as I see, many bishops in the middle country now have to rely on religious or priestly societies to minister to their parishes. Since non-diocean priest may be pulled by their superiors at anytime doesn’t that leave a bishop in a bind?

Don’t get me wrong. I would love to see more Franciscans, Dominicans, etc. but the average Joe Catholic in my neck of the woods only encounters the priest at their parish. We have few Dominicans and our parish is too wealthy for the Franciscans (not that there are many of these out here either). Heck the only actual religious priests I normally run into are Jesuits and that’s only because I went to a Jesuit university.
 
This isn’t counting Religious Brothers, either. Aren’t the Friars of the Renewal based out of the NY area?
Yes, their mother house is in NYC
I have read too that the main problem is that the Archdiocese recently changed its program by adding an additional year of philosophy. In fact they were expecting a “gap year” in which no new priests were ordained as a result of this extension, so Fr. D’Arcy’s ordination is a blessing. They are expecting something like 10 or more ordinations in two or three years’ time.
I heard that they were going to make changes, but I don’t know the details.
Hmm. However, Brother, it is the dioceses that are desperately desperately lacking in priests. It is a shortage of diocesan priests that is stretching diocesan priests to the limit. While your clarification is a good one (it’s wonderful to know that religious priests are being ordained), it doesn’t alleviate the despair at the tremendous lack of diocesan vocations – the priests whose job is to directly serve the laity. So while I applaud you adding the information about religious priests, I disagree with your assessment that it somehow negates the very sad fact that only one diocesan priest was ordained this year.
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The reason that I mention it, is because people tend to panic and think that there is a shortage of vocations to the priesthood. There is not. What we’re seeing is a return to life as it was before 1900. Diocesan priests were a minority. Most priests belonged to orders.

After 1900, there was an explosion of vocations to the dioceses. This turned out to be a very bad thing for the Church. As we can see, the focus shifted from quality to quantity and we know how that story ended up. Now, the focus is back on quality.

Last week, the Holy Father came within a hair-width of blasting the American bishops for promoting priestly vocations at the expense of religious life. He called on the American bishops to focus on bringing back religious life, especially male religious life, ordained or not.

He wants to see more diocesan priests, but he wants the bishops and the parishes to promote them equally. One thing that he told bishop Dolan was that the brothers in the USA had become the forgotten vocation and that this concerns the Church, because their presence is essential to the Catholic identity of the Church. There are many more in Latin America and Africa than in the USA. There are many more in the Eastern Churches too.

He also pointed out to the need for ordaining men for the religious orders so that the orders could go out and do what they were called to do, which goes beyond parish work. There is a desperate need for the orders and they’re are being replaced by lay people. Lay people are running schools, hospitals, colleges, shelters, soup kitchens, pregnancy centers and so forth. These should be in the hands of the orders and these orders need priests to serve their needs.

Basically, he has called on the bishops to balance out their vocation campaigns. I heard that this may be part of the changes in NYC. Bishop Dolan is very pro religious life. He did promise the male religious in NYC that he would do everything possible to promote them and not to compete with them for vocations. He said this very publicly on TV and radio. One of the changes that they have to make is to make the diocesan formation program more secular. Right now, it’s like a monastery or a novitiate. The year out would be great for those guys. It would give them a chance to see what a diocesan priest faces every day.

He won’t have people to pray with, eat with, play with or work with. He’s alone, even if there are five priests in the parish. They are not a community or even friends. Each one has a job description and each reports to the pastor. That’s it. They have nothing to do with each other, unless they choose to do so. In the seminary, there is a community life based on that of the Benedictines.

I believe that the Benedictine experience is good, because it helps the guys develop a strong spiritual life. But they also need to see if they can keep it going when they’re alone. To be ordained, sent to a parish and find that you’re very lonely and that you don’t like your colleagues or they don’t like you, can be very hard on a young man who has so many dreams about being a priest. I believe that it’s the biggest threat to celibacy.

Whereas , a young man who is not taken by surprise, because he had the chance to live it before chose to be ordained, has a better chance of survival.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I am not sure of the entire formation process here, but I know that the men have a year in the parish. We also have men in several different seminaries, so they make friends, but they know that they won’t be working together after ordination.

A funny story about our pastor, though. The previous pastor built a HUGE rectory - there are rooms (suites) for 5 men. My pastor now constantly has visiting priests, priests in residence, etc. We call if Fr W’s Home for Wayward Priests! 😃

So right now we have the 3 assigned to us (we are a 5000+ family parish) and 1 retired priest in residence. I expect this summer that we will have a priest from India or Africa here to study or raise money (or both).
 
One note. Father was the only diocesan priest ordained for the Archdiocese.

There were 35 priests ordained in NY for the different religious communities that live and serve in NY.

Not to despair. NY is producing more priests than many other dioceses, not to the diocese that’s all.

Fr. D’Arcy is a very special young man. I like him very much. I’ll leave it at that.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
We have 6 young men in either the seminary or monastery and 5 young ladies in various convents. Our parish has roughly 400 parishioners. This is not out of the ordinary for a Society parish. The average number of children in our parish is 7 per family and we have 10 families with 11 or more children. 60% of our families have an ordained or professed family member.

This will be how the crises of vocations will be solved.
 
We have 6 young men in either the seminary or monastery and 5 young ladies in various convents. Our parish has roughly 400 parishioners. This is not out of the ordinary for a Society parish. The average number of children in our parish is 7 per family and we have 10 families with 11 or more children. 60% of our families have an ordained or professed family member.
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This will be how the crises of vocations will be solved**.
Not really. The shortage is among diocesan priests. The SSPX are not and never will be diocesan priests. They are secular priests incardinated into the Society, not a diocese. That the reason that you cannot count the religious who were ordained in NY and will serve in NY. They are not incardinated into the diocese.

What dioceses need are their own priests, not someone else’s. Do you see the difference?

Between 1800 and 1950, religious were forced to provide priests for dioceses. That is no longer allowed. This has left dioceses with a shortage of priests.

But societies of apostolic life cannot commit to providing dioceses with priests either any more than religious can. None of these priests belong to the diocese and their primary mission is the preservation of their society or their religious community, not the preservation of the diocese.

When the Society is regularized, it will function just like religious, without being religious. There will be the needs of the Society, which trump the needs of the dioceses. Then there will be contracts between the diocesan bishop and the prelature, assume that there is going to be a prelature. Those contracts will define the terms of service in the diocese And there will be a constitution fro the prelature that the Holy Father gets to write for it, which defines the prelature’s relationship with the bishops.

We really need more men responding to the call to be diocesan priests. But as the Holy Father just told the bishops, they must equally promote vocations to the religious life of men. This is going to be a challenge.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
We really need more men responding to the call to be diocesan priests. But as the Holy Father just told the bishops, they must equally promote vocations to the religious life of men. This is going to be a challenge.
Brother JR, I fully agree. I guess the question is how are the laity to encourage vocations to both religious life and the diocesan priest if they only ever see diocesan priests?

Perhaps it’s just a unique situation in the area I live but there are maybe 60 religious males (priest and brothers) in a diocese that covers approximately 16,000 square miles. Outside of two Dominicans I met at a conference the only other religious I ran into was a our former Archbishop who is a Franciscan. For most of the young men the diocese is the only thing that comes to mind since they never encountered religious “in the wild.”

NOTE: I guess I should note I mean religious as meaning part of the traditional religious orders (Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, etc). I have encountered a handful of FSSP, LC, and DCJM.
 
Brother JR, I fully agree.** I guess the question is how are the laity to encourage vocations to both religious life and the diocesan priest if they only ever see diocesan priests? **

Perhaps it’s just a unique situation in the area I live but there are maybe 60 religious males (priest and brothers) in a diocese that covers approximately 16,000 square miles. Outside of two Dominicans I met at a conference the only other religious I ran into was a our former Archbishop who is a Franciscan. For most of the young men the diocese is the only thing that comes to mind since they never encountered religious “in the wild.”

NOTE: I guess I should note I mean religious as meaning part of the traditional religious orders (Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, etc). I have encountered a handful of FSSP, LC, and DCJM.
One of the answers is not as easy as it sounds. Let the encouragement start from the family.
 
Brother JR, I fully agree. I guess the question is how are the laity to encourage vocations to both religious life and the diocesan priest if they only ever see diocesan priests?

Perhaps it’s just a unique situation in the area I live but there are maybe 60 religious males (priest and brothers) in a diocese that covers approximately 16,000 square miles. Outside of two Dominicans I met at a conference the only other religious I ran into was a our former Archbishop who is a Franciscan. For most of the young men the diocese is the only thing that comes to mind since they never encountered religious “in the wild.”

NOTE: I guess I should note I mean religious as meaning part of the traditional religious orders (Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, etc). I have encountered a handful of FSSP, LC, and DCJM.
One of the answers is not as easy as it sounds. Let the encouragement start from the family.
You’re both right. It’s not going to be easy at all, because 50% of male religious no longer serve in parishes or catholic schools, since most Catholic parishes and Catholic schools in the USA are middle class. Religious normally shy away from serving the middle class. The younger generation is not exposed to male religious as it once was.

This may be a blessing to the religious, because what we’re finding is that though the numbers joining us are smaller than they were in the past, they are men who have really done their homework and they sought us out. They are not coming to use out of familiarity, but out of genuine desire to live our life.

My community has very little contact with Catholic youth. Yet, since we began on this adventure to separate from the larger Franciscan order to form the Franciscans of Life, we have had an average of 90 inquiries a year from people who find us on the internet, here on CAF, through pro-life activities, our work with the sick and dying and our work with the immigrant poor. Many of these men are volunteers who work alongside us.

Of the 90 inquiries per year, when I was formation director, I redirected 88 of them to different religious communities and to diocesan seminaries. What we hope will happen is that all of us will be attentive to the young men who present themselves with a possible vocation and that we are honest with them and us.

In the diocese where I work, the bishop is awesome. When he gets a sense that one of his seminarians has strong religious spirituality [pick your community] he encourages them to visit those religious. Sometimes the young man never mentions the term Piarist Fathers. That’s one that is not well known. But he goes on and on about school ministry and the place of the priest in schools. The diocesan vocation director is great. He’ll throw something in there like, “Hmmm, that’s what the Piarist Fathers do.” Now you have that young man’s attention.

He may visit the Piarist Fathers and decide that reality is different from his imagination and remains with the diocese. He may also find that he has arrived home and transfer.

The thing is not to try to outsmart God, just because we need priests. God does not like smarty pants. We tried that and we got burned with child sex abuse, financial irregularities, heterodoxy, liturgical abuse and what did I forget? We were trying to bring in the numbers rather than the quality. We were pulling for the parishes, rather than for the Church.

I for one, do not want to get burned again.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV 🙂
 
Not really. The shortage is among diocesan priests. The SSPX are not and never will be diocesan priests. They are secular priests incardinated into the Society, not a diocese. That the reason that you cannot count the religious who were ordained in NY and will serve in NY. They are not incardinated into the diocese.

What dioceses need are their own priests, not someone else’s. Do you see the difference?

Between 1800 and 1950, religious were forced to provide priests for dioceses. That is no longer allowed. This has left dioceses with a shortage of priests.

But societies of apostolic life cannot commit to providing dioceses with priests either any more than religious can. None of these priests belong to the diocese and their primary mission is the preservation of their society or their religious community, not the preservation of the diocese.

When the Society is regularized, it will function just like religious, without being religious. There will be the needs of the Society, which trump the needs of the dioceses. Then there will be contracts between the diocesan bishop and the prelature, assume that there is going to be a prelature. Those contracts will define the terms of service in the diocese And there will be a constitution fro the prelature that the Holy Father gets to write for it, which defines the prelature’s relationship with the bishops.

We really need more men responding to the call to be diocesan priests. But as the Holy Father just told the bishops, they must equally promote vocations to the religious life of men. This is going to be a challenge.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
I think you are missing the point, Bro. I absolutely disagree with your opinion that we are not in the midst of a severe and profound crisis of a dearth of vocations. I am not sure how it is going on the West Coast but on the East Coast, churches are closing and consolidating like mad and single priests are assigned to parish “clusters” or “communities”. This is due to the fact that only a minority of Catholics are attending Sunday Mass in the U.S. (according to Pew) and seeking the sacraments. This is not the formula for a robust stream of priests, brothers, and nuns. Also, the retirement rate of religious is vastly outpacing the ordination and commitment rate. I am sure there are some religious orders that are exceptions.

My example of our parish was not meant to infer that the SSPX is doing anything exotic in terms of catechesis or worship. The fact is that a chapel of 300 Catholics produces almost half of the number of vocations as an archdiocese of 3 million Catholics does is the crisis, regardless of whether the vocations end up as religious or secular.
 
I think you are missing the point, Bro. I absolutely disagree with your opinion that we are not in the midst of a severe and profound crisis of a dearth of vocations. I am not sure how it is going on the West Coast but on the East Coast, churches are closing and consolidating like mad and single priests are assigned to parish “clusters” or “communities”. This is due to the fact that only a minority of Catholics are attending Sunday Mass in the U.S. (according to Pew) and seeking the sacraments. This is not the formula for a robust stream of priests, brothers, and nuns. Also, the retirement rate of religious is vastly outpacing the ordination and commitment rate. I am sure there are some religious orders that are exceptions.

-snip for space - The fact is that a chapel of 300 Catholics produces almost half of the number of vocations as an archdiocese of 3 million Catholics does is the crisis, regardless of whether the vocations end up as religious or secular.
There are several realities that are affecting this shortage of priests in our dioceses. You mentioned one, the decline in faith in the Catholic family. The other is the rise of materialism and secularism.

As to the religious communities, we must understand that a large amount of the declining numbers of ordinations is not a lack of vocations, but a deliberate attempt on most of the religious communities of men to recover their original charisms ad mandated by Vatican II, Bl. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. A quick glance through the websites of religious orders and religious congregations of men will reveal either the total absence of any recruiting for the priesthood or a decreased effort to recruit for the priesthood.

Many religious communities were not founded to be communities of priests. They became communities of priests at some point between 1800 and 1950. Today, recognizing that their true mission is the religious life, not the priesthood and that the priests in these communities are accidental, not essential to the religious life, the numbers of men being ordained are dropping and the number of priests in the community are dying by attrition. No effort is going to be made to replace these priests in large numbers. It is more important to the community to preserve its religious charism, the vision of the founder, fidelity to the original foundation and to highlight the place of the consecrated life in the Church. Pope Benedict recently spoke to the US Bishops about their lack of effort to promote religious life of men without overshadowing it with the priesthood. We need priests in the dioceses. These were never large numbers. In fact, the numbers are larger today than they ever were. In the past, dioceses depended very heavily on priests from religious communities. Today, religious communities are providing less priests for parishes and moving out into areas of ministry appropriate for religious men.

As a result, thousands of parishes have been left without priests, because of the number of aging priests, decline in the number of men entering and the thousands of religious priest deliberately pulled out of parish work to work consistent with their religious vocation.

It is now becoming a more common sight to see houses of religious being erected with no ties to parishes. Many of them have priests, but these priests are to be found in pregnancy centers as counselors, soup kitchen administrators, street preaching, retreat work, religious education, hospice, nursing, manual labor, caring for the elderly and among the immigrant poor. You are going to see less and less religious in your area, unless you live in an impoverished area or are part of a group with special needs. For example, different Franciscan communities have written it into their constitutions that no friar will serve in parishes. Others have written that no friar will serve the middle class or higher. Pulling out this many Franciscans alone is putting a dent in 10% of parishes that were once staffed by the biggest religious family in the Church. Ten percent is not a small number, especially in the USA.

For almost two centuries, we depended on religious to form priests and staff parishes. But those days are coming to an end. There will always be religious in some parishes, but never again in the large numbers of parishes as in the past.

This places a heavy demand on the diocesan bishops. They now have to promote vocations to the diocesan seminary, but without forgetting their duty to promote vocations to male religious life as well.

We have very good news from diocesan seminaries around the nation. Their numbers are increasing and some are putting men on waiting lists. The numbers came out with the Ad Limina visits. Some dioceses and regions that come to mind off the top of my head are: Boston, Denver, Arlington, Florida, New York, Baltimore and Atlanta. Arlington has only one parish staffed by religious. They don’t need extern priests.

The other problem that is affecting the diocesan seminaries is finances. The economic situation is not good. Many of the young men who come cannot afford the tuition. Unlike religious whose education is paid for by the community, diocesan seminarians pay for part of their education, because they are treated like secular university students, which they are. Dioceses are trying to do their best to give as much financial aid as possible. The truth is that the man in the pew is also suffering from this financial catastrophe and he can give only so much. We have parishes in this country where 2/3 of the parishioners are unemployed and where large numbers of them have homes in foreclosure. Thank God for giving us the Knights of Columbus who have always come up with large amounts of money to subsidize vocations. I’m not sure where we would be without them.
 
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