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[TOME]

I am sure this has been brought up before, however, how can we best explain Mark 2:26 and Mathew 23:35? In both passages it seems Jesus got it wrong?

 

[jpjd]

It’s helpful to post the passages you want to discuss so that we don’t have to look it up.

Mark 2:
23 As he was passing through a field of grain on the sabbath, his disciples began to make a path while picking the heads of grain.
24 At this the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the sabbath?”
25 He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry?
26 How he went into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest and ate the bread of offering that only the priests could lawfully eat, and shared it with his companions?”
27 Then he said to them, “The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
28 That is why the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.”

Matthew 23:
34 Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and pursue from town to town,
35 so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood shed upon earth, from the righteous blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

 

[TOME]

jpjd,

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

Here is my point concerning the two passages. According to 1 Samuel 21: 1- 6 it was Ahimelech not Abiathar who was the high priest. In 2 Chronicles 24: 20-22, it was Zachariah, son of Johoiada and not Zachariah, son of Barachiah, who was killed.

How or why did Jesus get these two things wrong?

 

[DCNBILL]

jpjd,

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

Here is my point concerning the two passages. According to 1 Samuel 21: 1- 6 it was Ahimelech not Abiathar who was the high priest. In 2 Chronicles 24: 20-22, it was Zachariah, son of Johoiada and not Zachariah, son of Barachiah, who was killed.

How or why did Jesus get these two things wrong?

In regards to 1 Samuel 21: 1- 6 one may want to read on in 1 Samuel to see what happens to Ahimelech and who he is replaced by. Jesus may have been pointing to the illegitimacy of Abiathar as High Priest as well as his descendants, as well as a back handed statement about the current state of the priesthood at the time.

 

[TOME]

Bill,

Thanks for your response. My problem is that, like you, I don’t get caught up on a single sentence but try to look at the whole text; however, there are those who do get caught up in a single phrase to try to show that our beliefs are wrong. Lately, I have been in an on- going conversation (and I mean this in the very best sense of the word) with a very intelligent young man who keeps bringing up these two passages.

 

[DCNBILL]

Bill,

Thanks for your response. My problem is that, like you, I don’t get caught up on a single sentence but try to look at the whole text; however, there are those who do get caught up in a single phrase to try to show that our beliefs are wrong. Lately, I have been in an on- going conversation (and I mean this in the very best sense of the word) with a very intelligent young man who keeps bringing up these two passages.

Your welcome, you may want to check out this site for possible explanations for Matt 23:35. tektonics.org/lp/matt2335.html

My favorite is, how does anyone really know which Zachariah Jesus was talking about? Apparently a common name and it would be sure that not only one person by that name was killed in Jewish traditions. As well as the whole dual name thing for Jews.

As for the young man, you may suggest to him to study the truths in the Bible rather than try to quibble with a few incidental “errors” in the text

 

[bogeydogg]

Concerning Abel to Zechariah

Jesus is making a reference to the Hebrew Bible. The first book is Genesis the last book is Chronicles. So the first righteous man murdered in that Scripture is Abel and the last righteous man murdered in that Scripture is Zechariah.

Also when David and his men were allowed to eat the shewbread to be strengthened, Saul slaughtered the priests.

The point Christ is making is that wicked in Israel have always sought to murder the righteous just as the wicked are seeking to murder Christ.

God Bless

 

[Hail_Linus]

It’s helpful to post the passages you want to discuss so that we don’t have to look it up.

Mark 2:
23 As he was passing through a field of grain on the sabbath, his disciples began to make a path while picking the heads of grain.
24 At this the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the sabbath?”
25 He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry?
26 How he went into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest and ate the bread of offering that only the priests could lawfully eat, and shared it with his companions?”
27 Then he said to them, “The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
28 That is why the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.”

Perhaps one way to reconcile this is that in Marl 2:26 Jesus referred Ahimelech in 1st Samuel by his last name. Not only was Ahimelech’s son called Abiathar but according to 2nd Samuel 8:17 Ahimelech’s father was also called Abiathar. Therefore his full name would have been Ahimelech bar Abiathar. This is like the Apolstle Nathaniel who is referred to by his last name Bartholomew (Bar Tholomew) in the Gospel of John.

 

[Sonseeahray]

Your welcome, you may want to check out this site for possible explanations for Matt 23:35. tektonics.org/lp/matt2335.html

**My favorite is, how does anyone really know which Zachariah Jesus was talking about? ** Apparently a common name and it would be sure that not only one person by that name was killed in Jewish traditions. As well as the whole dual name thing for Jews.

Zechariah and his grandfather were Priests (descendants of Aaron) and had returned to Jerusalem from Babylon. His father, Berechiah, was not with them. Sometimes Zechariah is called the son of Iddo and sometimes Son of Berechiah. (see below)

Matthew 23:35 (NASB)
…that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Ezra 6:14 (NASB)
And the elders of the Jews were successful in building through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they finished building according to the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

Zech. 1:7 (NASB)
On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zechariah the prophet, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo, as follows:

Larry

 

[cc42]

In the passage in Mark, I read in Christian Apologetics by Douglas Groothius said that Mark writes epi before Abiathar’s name which could mean “near” as when Jesus talked about the passage of the Burning Bush and Moses epi is translated “in the account” of the bush. Ancient Judaism divided chapters up into passages and Abiathar was a better known figure so Jesus could have been saying the passage about Abiathar, who was the pirest in that passage, but not the same chapter as David eating the shewbread. So He wasn’t saying that Abiathar was the priest at the time, He was saying Abiathar was the priest in that passage.