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XiWang717
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This is supposed to be some kind of joke, right?
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ThinkingSapien
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I’d like to make a shout out to Nikoli Tesla who
Developed and researched AC power, designed the first hydro-electric plant, . His research was used to develop the radio, came up with the first idea for the radar, developed the first X-ray machines. He also invited remote control, neon lighting, the modern electric motor, so on. Unfortunately he and Edison were not the best of friends, and Edison at times worked against Tesla and prevented him from being fully credited with some of his accomplishments.
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yppop
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I respectively disagree with your comment that “no one person understands all of it”. In my experience, the “product engineer”, the engineer responsible for the manufacture and shipment of a specific integrated circuit or family of I.C.s, was expected to know and understand every step in the entire process from the silicon wafer, through wafer fabrication, wafer testing, assembly, and device testing. Understanding entailed knowledge of each specific process step including the operation of the facilities and machines in which the product was processed. I knew many engineers that acquired such understanding and I also knew several managers that knew an enormous amount of detail for a number of product lines.
The guys that “know parts of it” are called “process engineers”. They specialize in the specific processing steps that are common to one or more product lines.
I understand what you are driving at, but I used your comment to point out, mainly to Robert, that he is very badly underestimating the “innate wit” of the human mind; I believe God has the confidence in His creation to allow us humans to create a very complex technology with our tangential insight while only an occasionally supplying a novel idea through our radial insight.
Are you involved in or familiar with the semiconductor industry? I retired 18 years ago and I am amazed at how far the industry has advanced considering the miniaturization that has had to be implemented to allow the hand held devices that everyone now seems to own. The engineerin environment is truly a wondrous place.
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inocente
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Then God also gave the Nazis the technical knowledge to build and operate the Holocaust gas chambers. Knowing how to slaughter women and children on an industrial scale has no possible application other than great evil, but apparently you think God gave the know-how to the Nazis anyway. For comparison, cargo cult logic also requires that the deity cannot choose to withhold the cargo but must give it to anyone who possesses the appropriate sympathetic magic or performs the set ritual.
Your hypothesis doesn’t even appear to answer your own question: if the knowledge comes from God, why the exponential increase of the last few centuries? Will the bonanza come to an end? Should we make sacrifices? Perhaps you should give Occam’s razor a polish.
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Robert_Sock
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God is one, and there is nothing else other than God. The knowledge that God gave the Nazis was common knowledge that the Nazis choose to use for evil. We should not say that the Nazis’ invented gas chambers. The Nazis’ did do a lot of medical experimentation on Jews, but that knowledge must ultimately be God given. God is all knowing, and all knowledge flows from Him.
Then God also gave the Nazis the technical knowledge to build and operate the Holocaust gas chambers. Knowing how to slaughter women and children on an industrial scale has no possible application other than great evil, but apparently you think God gave the know-how to the Nazis anyway. For comparison, cargo cult logic also requires that the deity cannot choose to withhold the cargo but must give it to anyone who possesses the appropriate sympathetic magic or performs the set ritual.
Your hypothesis doesn’t even appear to answer your own question: if the knowledge comes from God, why the exponential increase of the last few centuries? Will the bonanza come to an end? Should we make sacrifices? Perhaps you should give Occam’s razor a polish.
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Robert_Sock
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“I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.”
Then God also gave the Nazis the technical knowledge to build and operate the Holocaust gas chambers. Knowing how to slaughter women and children on an industrial scale has no possible application other than great evil, but apparently you think God gave the know-how to the Nazis anyway. For comparison, cargo cult logic also requires that the deity cannot choose to withhold the cargo but must give it to anyone who possesses the appropriate sympathetic magic or performs the set ritual.
Your hypothesis doesn’t even appear to answer your own question: if the knowledge comes from God, why the exponential increase of the last few centuries? Will the bonanza come to an end? Should we make sacrifices? Perhaps you should give Occam’s razor a polish.
-Isaiah 45:7 (Douay-Rheims)
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TimeEntrance
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No I was not joking about L.A. being a city.
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Marc_Anthony
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So what are you REALLY saying? That all knowledge in general ultimately stems from God, or that humans didn’t make complex technology, and God gave us this knowledge through DIRECT revelation.
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Inego_de_Loyola
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This
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Robert_Sock
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I’m saying that all knowledge in ultimately stems from God and that we can use it for good or evil. I’m also asserting that we humans didn’t make complex technology. I’m not saying that God gave us this knowledge through direct revelation.
I believe that God created multiple worlds, and that we are the absolute lowest. I also believe that complex technology flows from some upper world or underworld of Satan. It is through the deception of Satan that most people perceive that humans create this complex technology.
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Marc_Anthony
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This is incoherent.
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Inego_de_Loyola
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Pope Pius II:
The position you described has no place in the spectrum of Catholic thought.
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Robert_Sock
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Please tell me why it’s incoherent and I’ll try and clarify things.
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Marc_Anthony
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That’s a fair request. I’ll oblige.
Let’s go back. You said:
So you think that humans only THINK they make complex technology but in actuality Satan tells us how to make them and we do it on his orders? Because this is ridiculous. You’re typing this on a computer. If you really believe it’s the devil’s work, your only moral option would be to give up the computer and all of your technology and live as a mendicant beggar.
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Robert_Sock
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I believe Satan creates the deception that technology flows from us. I do not know where the technology really comes from, but I provided a few examples of where it may come from.
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Marc_Anthony
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So you think people are lying who work in groups to make this technology? Or they are deceived? Because if so you’d need to prove there’s a hole in their logic.
Why would you even believe this? Technology isn’t evil. It’s neutral. Just like kitchen implements.
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XiWang717
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I agree. Technology is neither good nor evil in itself, but can be used and misused by humans for both.
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Robert_Sock
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Where are these groups of people? Do you know any of them? Can they invent something as complex as a new computer chip? Can they design and build the machinery and tooling necessary for manufacturing computer chips?
I never said whether technology is good or evil.
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inocente
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Yes but Isaiah’s all-powerful god is hidden (Is. 45:15), he never intervenes in the world, while the whole purpose of your god is to intervene, and as a result he can’t be all powerful. Look at how your logic forces god into giving knowledge to the Nazis - he is emasculated, without any choices, anyone good or evil can milk him for knowledge, all they need is to remind god of his contractual obligations to your logic.
You really have invented a cargo cult right down to the minutest detail, congratulations!
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ThinkingSapien
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Do you think that Satan ever makes intellectual contributions to technology?
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