Openly gay boys in the Boy Scouts and the Pope's recent message concernig gay clergy

[djames99]

As a parent of twin boys who were very involved in Boy Scouts, I would not have wanted them to be subjected to a homosexual boy who openly flaunts his tendancies. I would have especially objected to allowing them in a Den lead by a homosexual. I would not have trusted their safety on camp-outs or other overnight activities.

But why was it necessary for you to worry? I think it’s because you now note a personality of the institution that is dangerous to the moral influence of your child. The positive things it provides are no longer part and parcel of the benefits to your child that you took in confidence, they now are instruments of enticement to keep you sending them there, and their hope it will balance out with the bad they chose to hold onto at your child’s expense. They are willing to wager the future of your child for their own pride.

Sometimes our disruption starts further along in the compounding process where we can have questionable effect, on occasions we are presented with opportunities where we can “nip it in the bud”.

But do you note the modus that is similar to other organizations/institutions? The Nazis had the best hospital care for their patients, and these received kindness for those who they deemed not mentally ill, or were fortunate enough to look Arien and not have mongoloid features, otherwise that beneficial medicine in the syringe was replaced by something more sinister.

For years I have supported the Salvation Army since they have been kind to me in the past. It really hurt me to stop supporting them because of their stance on abortions. They continually receive opportunities to turn back on controversial issues. They don’t realize their good efforts are diluted by their adamant position. But again, tracing problems to their roots, we know they obtain their moral support through protestant doctrine, who we know are guided by human desires. So that is not surprising to us, since we know man does not obtain recognition from God for the good he does until man has mended the rift he created. I’m not aware if they have changed their stance.

Our job in these cases is to distance ourselves from them and to not stop in our persuasion. It pains us to see the good tarnished by obstinate evil. If one day they should decide to respond to the graces that God has enlightened them with(through protests, by sound arguments, by listening to God’s Authority on this earth, the Church,etc) then we can once again send our children their.

Until then we are to do our part in sending that message in every way.

 

[StJudeprayforme]

But do you note the modus that is similar to other organizations/institutions? The Nazis had the best hospital care for their patients, and these received kindness for those who they deemed not mentally ill, or were fortunate enough to look Arien and not have mongoloid features, otherwise that beneficial medicine in the syringe was replaced by something more sinister.

Did you really just compare the Boy Scouts inclusion of gay youth to the holocaust?

 

[Captain_America]

“Marginalized” is an ambiguous term. Thus, it’s a useful way to smear on all kinds of things you don’t like. Be suspicious of it. Ask for specifics.

It’s also not very quantitative. So EVERYONE can feel he’s “marginalized” in some way, every single day. This is really a loose pop psychology term.

Adults who do scouting spend a TON of time across the whole year with a program. The recent National push toys with this adult commitment, and essentially blackmailed consent to nonsense.

Homosexuality is not equivalent to heterosexuality. It is a dimming of our moral perceptions to pretend that they are equivalent or to say it simply doesn’t matter.

The BSA since its inception has been about values. So it clearly waffled here, pressured to be amoral.

When you look at it, homosexuality is a kind of learned behavior. (Oh, there may be a very modest genetic aspect to it). It’s clearly a perversion of normal sexual development. It has substantial social implications for the person suffering this perversion, and for those around him. (Female homosexuals are more interested in emotional bonding; the sex is secondary. For male homosexuals, the emphasis is on sex). This is the science of it.

Given that the Bible throughout, in Old and New Testament, is very clear about homosexuality as a perversion, it’s unsettling to me to see Bible-reading people say it’s okay. . . I question their seriousness. I do take into consideration the fact that this is not the worst sin one can do, but I note that in our times the issue is a heated one, so people put undue emphasis on it.

With respect to New Scouting, my son’s young so I’m willing to keep him in. When he gets older, I’m MUCH less interested.

I really feel sorry for those scouters who feel pressured to say things now that they do not believe. There’s now thousands and thousands of scouters pushed into the closet!

 

[Captain_America]

The deeper question is why are our children publicly identifying by their sexual desire? It is wrong on many levels.

Yes, this is pretty good. It’s really commodification. There’s much to be said about youth having innocence, we can agree, and the whole “openly gay” youth stuff is disconcerting to rational adults.

 

[Robert_Sock]

“Marginalized” is an ambiguous term. Thus, it’s a useful way to smear on all kinds of things you don’t like. Be suspicious of it. Ask for specifics.

It’s also not very quantitative. So EVERYONE can feel he’s “marginalized” in some way, every single day. This is really a loose pop psychology term.

Adults who do scouting spend a TON of time across the whole year with a program. The recent National push toys with this adult commitment, and essentially blackmailed consent to nonsense.

Homosexuality is not equivalent to heterosexuality. It is a dimming of our moral perceptions to pretend that they are equivalent or to say it simply doesn’t matter.

The BSA since its inception has been about values. So it clearly waffled here, pressured to be amoral.

When you look at it, homosexuality is a kind of learned behavior. (Oh, there may be a very modest genetic aspect to it). It’s clearly a perversion of normal sexual development. It has substantial social implications for the person suffering this perversion, and for those around him. (Female homosexuals are more interested in emotional bonding; the sex is secondary. For male homosexuals, the emphasis is on sex). This is the science of it.

Given that the Bible throughout, in Old and New Testament, is very clear about homosexuality as a perversion, it’s unsettling to me to see Bible-reading people say it’s okay. . . I question their seriousness. I do take into consideration the fact that this is not the worst sin one can do, but I note that in our times the issue is a heated one, so people put undue emphasis on it.

With respect to New Scouting, my son’s young so I’m willing to keep him in. When he gets older, I’m MUCH less interested.

I really feel sorry for those scouters who feel pressured to say things now that they do not believe. There’s now thousands and thousands of scouters pushed into the closet!

We’re not talking about open homosexual behavior not being a sin, we’re talking about not marginalizing gay boys who want to join the Scouts.
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Verb: marginalize

1. Relegate to a lower or outer edge, as of specific groups of people*