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Well, I definitely agree that further catechesis is needed. Some of the replies so far have been helpful.See, that’s why there needs to be liturgical catechesis before these translations get used, or else people are going to think the wrong things about them. The reply et cum spiritu tuo is not an exclusive statement regarding the priest’s soul or spirit. You can see my previous reply for the explanation.
That depends. What is the initial greeting of the Priest in these liturgies? If it is “The Lord be with you”, then I would have to say yes. After reading some of the followups, I can understand the greeting to spirit. What I can’t understand is why the priest does not greet to spirit to the congregation in the same way. Why doesn’t the priest give us this greeting:Do you think that people, for 1900+ years, have been saying a “stupid” thing in the liturgies spoken in Greek and Latin? I’d bet the Aramaic liturgies use “spirit” too.
“The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen”
That, I think would set the tone of the liturgy in a powerful way that is lacking now. Reducing the priest’s greeting to “The Lord be with you” renders the exchange of greetings as, at best, very awkward sounding.
Well, I would agree again that catechesis, especially to those like myself who grew up in the post Vatican II malaise, has been sorely lacking. Perhaps that also colors my opinion of why I find it hard to have much of a favorable opinion of a new mass translation. Most of the people in the pews today are just going through the motions, following a script every Sunday. Most don’t really even understand the importance of the various parts and those who do still bother to show up on Sundays do so more so as a matter of social habit. In light of that failure to educate a whole generation of Catholics, spending a bunch of time and energy on changing words feels like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.Please accept that there are some things you simply might not understand the first time you hear or read them. It might not “come to you” immediately, and you might come up with the wrong explanation. That is why Vatican II called for the liturgical catechesis of the laity and clergy: so that they would KNOW what they were saying and doing and hearing. Too bad that got ignored in the tumult of changes that occurred in the latter half of the 1960’s.
I know as much about these proposed changes to the liturgy from listening to Catholic Answers and other Catholic media. I’d be willing to be that >90% of Catholics in the US have no idea that this is coming and I don’t get any kind of sense that the USCCB is planning to make a proper effort to get the faithful to buy into these changes. I wonder how many rank and file priests even know this is coming.