Opinions On The New Versions Of Mass Hymns

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To me the new versions of Mass Hymns are terrible. Especially Glory To God In The Highest and the Alleluia

The old versions had beautiful melodies and great feeling. I often left Mass especially upbeat when one of these hymns was running through my mind

The new ones sound garish with no melody or feeling and seem more suited to people with good singing voices

I can understand trying to improve the liturgy to make translations more accurate, but changing these beautiful songs seems like change just for the sake of change

Not that there is likely anything we can do about it, but I would appreciate knowing how others feel
 
Those aren’t hymns; they are the musical settings of the parts of the Mass itself.

There are many settings available, most of the familiar “old” ones have a counterpart using the new translation. Ask your music director if one of the other settings can be used.
 
They are not hymns. They are the text of the mass as set to music. Look at it that way. It’s sort of like… flip to a random page in the missal, then sing that text, rather than say it. It’s the same idea, really. It’s just the text, set to music. Anyways, I like being a little more intellectually challenged at mass. The new wording stimulates the mind more, and I feel better than just being spoon-fed the words with broken meaning like I felt with the old translation.
 
It depends on what setting you are talking about. Some of them are nice, and some of them are not for congregation singing or singing during Mass altogether. I think it depends.
 
It all depends on whose setting you are hearing, because there are lots. There are beautiful ones, very similare to the old ones, and then there are the sway-around-the-choir-loft ones which make you wonder whether you’re at the Mass or a hippy conference.

I agree with you though, but, there are beautiful new ones.
 
THEMZ ARE TEH ORDINARY NOT HYMNS STOP THE PRESSES!!! D:

Now that I’ve gotten the bandwagon rage out of the way, I’ve listened to some of the new settings, and yes they are horrible. Time to bring back Missa Orbis Factor. 😃
 
+JMJ

I agree. Poor music choice is one of the things of the “new” that gets me to grit my teeth the most. However, youtube videos like this one really brighten up the situation. At the very least, they prove that the songs are ridiculous. Enjoy! 🙂

youtube.com/watch?v=uwFJv-kmaCc
 
I do have to agree with you all, the new versions of the music for the Mass is poor, especially for Canada.

Up here north of the 44th (parallel), you get 4 Options: 1) Setting A by Fr. John Angeles. Pprobably the best of the three, but could be better, and not the easiest for those without basic music reading skills. However it’s the one that sounds the most “Catholic Church hymn” to me. This one my church picked and it seems the closest to our old settings as well. (2) Setting B by John Dawson, current director of Ontario Catholic Youth and big cheese when it comes to that “Praise and Worship Style” Music. It’s seriously not the greatest, and sounds like the stuff from the Gather Hymnal, ugh! Not to mention the kiddie masses I had when I was in Elementary School in the late 80’s - early 90’s. (3) Setting C by Michel Guimont. Again, sounds more like Gather Hymnal songs and sounds somewhat harder than Angeles. Also sounds the “oddest”. Your 4th option is chants by the ICEL, an odd option in how it works, so likely parishes will stick wit the first 3. Really, between these settings and report of the New Missal in Canada being devoid of much beautiful artwork (see. Fr. De Souza in the Catholic Register in a commentary), it seems like the CCCB is doing a 1/2 effort when it comes setting up the artistic portions of implementing the 3rd Edition of the Missal.

To have a listen, if you dare, go here: cccbpublications.ca/site/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=682&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1678&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=176&lang=eng

And to the poster above, AWESOME!! I found that video before. I will never look at the Gather Hymnal the same way again!
 
I’ve never understood why the Church in Canada does such a terrible job with music. Seriously, there are SO MANY OPTIONS in the United States. I don’t see why this kind of thing couldn’t be available in Canada as well, unless publishers are making deals so they rake in the cash.
 
To me the new versions of Mass Hymns are terrible. Especially Glory To God In The Highest and the Alleluia

The old versions had beautiful melodies and great feeling. I often left Mass especially upbeat when one of these hymns was running through my mind

The new ones sound garish with no melody or feeling and seem more suited to people with good singing voices

I can understand trying to improve the liturgy to make translations more accurate, but changing these beautiful songs seems like change just for the sake of change

Not that there is likely anything we can do about it, but I would appreciate knowing how others feel
If the melodies available are bad, then just wait awhile- I’m sure someone will eventually write good ones. Right now, this is something new and the established composers have been in a hurry to write new material because their old material will soon be obsolete. Give it time- give composers a chance to experience the new translation of the Mass, to be inspired by it. After they hear the new words and are inspired by them, they will come up with new, better Mass settings.

Before criticizing what seems to you as “change for the sake of change,” please remember that the current translations seem to many as “change for the sake of change.” They have been in place for 40 years, but they abruptly replaced the translation of the 1965 missal, which was generally in line with the translations people had read along with in their missals for generations.
 
We will be using the *Chant Mass in honor of Saint Ralph Sherwin *by Corpus Christi Watershed. It’s really lovely and I don’t think the congregation will have too much trouble learning it.

I imagine that as more options become available, our music director will chose another 1 or 2 others to use in special circumstances. Our pastor hired this music director last year specifically because of the upcoming changes and he is very talented (and actually Catholic).
 
Before criticizing what seems to you as “change for the sake of change,” please remember that the current translations seem to many as “change for the sake of change.” They have been in place for 40 years, but they abruptly replaced the translation of the 1965 missal, which was generally in line with the translations people had read along with in their missals for generations.
Actually the Mass has been translated and retranslated into English for over 500 years, mostly by the Church of England. Those missal translations themselves varied from handmissal to handmissal. English is a very mutable language and, if the number of English Bibles is any indication of things to come, the texts will probably change again in the next 40 years or so.
 
I am very disapointed in the new mass music.

They took some great hymns and replaced them with lousy hymns.

With all the bad things going on in the world today, the Catholic church has to get in on it and downgrade the music.

The poor priest at Mass Sunday was trying to be a good sport and sing the lousy music. Everyone else in Mass was just sitting there depressed.

What a disaster.
 
I am very disapointed in the new mass music.

They took some great hymns and replaced them with lousy hymns.

With all the bad things going on in the world today, the Catholic church has to get in on it and downgrade the music.

The poor priest at Mass Sunday was trying to be a good sport and sing the lousy music. Everyone else in Mass was just sitting there depressed.

What a disaster.
What do you consider “lousy” music? I really am wondering.
 
The new mass hymns.
What people normally call “hymns” – the songs you would sing as an entrance hymn, Communion hymn, recessional hymn – haven’t changed at all. So I assume you are talking about the commonly sung portions of the Mass text itself: the Gloria (“Glory to God in the Highest”), the Sanctus (“Holy, Holy, Holy Lord”), the Memorial acclamation and the Amen, and the Agnus Dei (“Lamb of God”).

As you may or may not know, the Church prescribes the words to be sung for these parts of the Mass, but it does not write the tunes itself. (I’ll set aside the case of using the traditional Gregorian Chant melodies.) It is up to individual composers to set the words to music in a suitable way, and there are dozens if not hundreds of musical settings of the various Mass parts which have been composed. It is the job of the pastor (and the music director, usually) to pick one that they like; most parishes rotate several settings throughout the year to keep it from getting monotonous.

So, what has changed? The Church has not said, “You must stop singing a nice setting, here is a lousy setting you must sing instead.” It has simply corrected the texts of the Mass parts, the lyrics. Naturally, this means that musical compositions based on the old lyrics can no longer be used, unless they are revised to take the corrected words into account – which many have been, actually. If a parish has been using a musical setting that has been updated for the new wording, then it can continue using it, and all that you would notice would be a slight change in the musical structure (e.g., to account for the different number of syllables in “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will” as opposed to the old “… and peace to His people on earth”).

If a parish has adopted a completely new musical setting – as it sounds like your parish has done – this is the responsibility of your parish staff. They could just as easily have adopted one that you liked better as one that you liked less. For instance, I prefer the new setting of the Gloria that we’ve been using at my parish to many of the old ones that had been in our rotation. Anyway, there are quite a lot of musical settings out there for the revised words of the Mass, and more will continue to be written. If you really dislike the one your parish has chosen, you ought to to talk to your pastor or music director and give him feedback (preferably in a friendly and constructive way, of couse :)). They want feedback; it will help them to understand what people like and to decide what to use in the future.
 
I’ve never understood why the Church in Canada does such a terrible job with music. Seriously, there are SO MANY OPTIONS in the United States. I don’t see why this kind of thing couldn’t be available in Canada as well, unless publishers are making deals so they rake in the cash.
Paying publishers for music IMO is a waste of Church money, since there is so much high quality free sacred music available.
 
Paying publishers for music IMO is a waste of Church money, since there is so much high quality free sacred music available.
But many people unfortunately have backwards opinions of what is “high quality sacred” music.
 
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