Opinions On The New Versions Of Mass Hymns

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As for the Gloria, it all depends what musical setting is chosen. Thus far, I’ve heard one that’s a minor change to one that’s previously been in use. That one I’m not too fond of. However, we at my parish have chosen a rather regal 3/4 time composition that is AMAZING with the harmonies. It evokes the sense of royal adoration that is due to God.:bowdown2::highprayer:

It’s from Mass of Renewal by Curtis Stephan. I assume we’ll be using all of it. I’ll find out at practice tomorrow.
Here’s the link to listen to a samples: ocp.org/newmasssettings/newsettings/massofrenewal
 
MarkThompson said:
Wow, it’s like the entire last four pages of discussion never happened.
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Yup, for some people that’s how it will be, and no amount of explanation will help until they just get over it. Some people resist change, pure and simple.
 
I_Thirst said:
Let’s at least hope that Bach wasn’t ever on the payroll. Great music – the Lutheran Palestrina – but not Catholic.

I think Palestrina is still on the payroll! At least his liturgical music is still profoundly Catholic. 🙂
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Are you saying that hearing Bach would be worse than hearing “On Eagles Wings” yet one more nauseating time? :crying:

[Yeah, I know that Bach wasn’t Catholic…now. :blushing: But the case can be made the “On Eagles Wings” might not be particularly Catholic either. On the other hand, I haven’t actually listened to the words in at least 15 years…LOL]
 
iloveangels said:
Are you saying that hearing Bach would be worse than hearing “On Eagles Wings” yet one more nauseating time? :crying:
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Didn’t Luther originally write that as Auf den Flügeln der Adler? There’s gotta be a Bach cantata or something with a bunch of Protestant counterpoint in it. 😉
ProVobis said:
Actually he was employed to write for the Mass by a Catholic prince.

But, c’mon, he had 20 kids to support. 🙂
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😃
 
Curtis C said:
The damage to the Mass should stop. The New Mass was bad enough. Now this “New Translation.” The Masons seem to be getting just what they want.
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Masons are not a Catholic groups and have nothing to do with the Mass.
 
pnewton said:
Masons are not a Catholic groups and have nothing to do with the Mass.
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You are correct the Masons are not a Catholic group. You may be incorrect that they have nothing to do with the Mass, specifically, the New Mass.
 
Curtis C said:
You are correct the Masons are not a Catholic group. You may be incorrect that they have nothing to do with the Mass, specifically, the New Mass.
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I don’t buy that old conspiracy theory. But at least now I know from where you are coming I rather thing the Holy Spirit has a wee bit more to do with what happens in the Catholic Church.
 
I think it just takes a bit of getting used to. The first few times it was difficult. My throat was so dry and it was not easy singing the melody. My voice felt strained and scratchy trying to keep up with the choir who had more practice, especially with the longer sung prayers like the Credo. But the melody does sound familiar to me. If I am not mistaken, it is the same melody that we used to sing to the Latin version. We have been singing the new translation for several weeks now and we are getting the hang of it. It is much better now.
 
If I am not mistaken, it is the same melody that we used to sing to the Latin version.
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I’ve heard it and the syllables don’t fit the same way into the melody as the Latin. Just saying.
 
ProVobis said:
I’ve heard it and the syllables don’t fit the same way into the melody as the Latin. Just saying.
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Totally agree. Don’t know why our Mass is changing and it makes me sad to find out we’re going back to the original Mass = taken from scripture - they say. What’s the difference. Why are they changing now? Why did it take so long? Is this going to be left as a legacy from our current Vatician bishops and cardinals? I’m totally confused at this situation. I still intend to attend Mass, but somewhere along the way,I feel we’ve lost some of the zeal within our Church-not faith. :confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
LauraJeanne said:
Totally agree. Don’t know why our Mass is changing and it makes me sad to find out we’re going back to the original Mass = taken from scripture - they say. What’s the difference. Why are they changing now? Why did it take so long? Is this going to be left as a legacy from our current Vatician bishops and cardinals? I’m totally confused at this situation. I still intend to attend Mass, but somewhere along the way,I feel we’ve lost some of the zeal within our Church-not faith. :confused::confused::confused::confused:
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Because we have had so many canonizations between 1975 and now, a new Missal was written to include the prayers for those feast days. That Missal, as always, was written in Latin and needed to be translated into the languages we use around the world. Since this had to be done anyway, they decided that this time the translation would be closer to what the Latin actually said than it had been in the present “Sacramentary” which contains a translation equal to translating Hamlet’s “To be or not to be” soliloquy to another language and reducing it to “I wonder what I should do?”

To those of us who are old enough to remember the 60s, this translation of our responses sounds quite familiar, indeed, it’s very similar to the original translations that were done right after Vat. II and which were faithful to what the prayers actually said.
 
I’m confused as - why now change the wordings and music of the Mass? How come it wasn’t done correctly back in the 70’s? We were told (by our parish priest) at Mass several weeks ago that the Church was ‘going back’ to the original meanings of the wordings of Mass - that the real meanings were somehow lost lost in translation -
Maybe I don’t express myself well - 'the Church may change and try to become up to date with modern times (that’s ok) - but MY faith with never change. Hopefully whoever wrote a post will understand my statement now.
Thanks.
LJ:confused:
 
Curtis C said:
This may help in trying to understand the New Mass and why I am concerned:

mostholyfamilymonastery.com/new_mass_vs_traditional_latin_mass.php
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Please everyone understand that this group that is linked is not operating under the authority of the Catholic Church and is opposed to it. They are sedevacantist. You have as good of a chance as reading a Jack Chick track as listening to this schismatic group.

I do not trust those that come to this Catholic forum and can’t follow the rules here.
 
LauraJeanne said:
I’m confused as - why now change the wordings and music of the Mass? How come it wasn’t done correctly back in the 70’s?
LJ:confused:
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Laura, I linked a video earlier, but if you go to top tab here and click on Catholic.com, you can go to their video section. Jimmy Akin has several videos that I think will answer your questions. Of course, you could just buy his book. 😃
 
LauraJeanne said:
I’m confused as - why now change the wordings and music of the Mass? How come it wasn’t done correctly back in the 70’s? We were told (by our parish priest) at Mass several weeks ago that the Church was ‘going back’ to the original meanings of the wordings of Mass - that the real meanings were somehow lost lost in translation -
Maybe I don’t express myself well - 'the Church may change and try to become up to date with modern times (that’s ok) - but MY faith with never change. Hopefully whoever wrote a post will understand my statement now.
Thanks.
LJ:confused:
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It wasn’t so much that it was done wrong, as that it was done differently.

There are two ways of translating a text: translate the sense (thus my Hamlet soliloquy analogy, it’s a full page of text to basically say “what should I do?”) and translate the text. When they translated the present Missal they did the ‘sense’ translation. But just the way you would lose much of the beauty and ideas of Hamlet’s soliloquy if you just take the core idea and translate it to French with “Que faire?” so we lost the beauty and dignity of the Latin text when it was translated to English (we didn’t lose so much when it was translated to French). When this most recent Missal was being translated Rome said “This time, translate the text, not just the sense,” so we are getting more reverent text, more praise of God and, in some cases, a return to the way the text was originally translated right after Vat. II.

In many cases today we are not asking God anything in prayer we are telling him what to do. In the revised text we are again asking our Father for things. It’s the difference between saying “Dad, give me a car for Christmas” and “Dad, you’ve always been generous and I haven’t always been obedient but if you would see it in you to give me a car for Christmas I would be most grateful.” You’re still asking for a car, but you are being grateful, respectful and recognizing that you don’t necessarily deserve a car.
 
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