Opinions on Wicca and witchcraft and paganism

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I was taught in school (more than one catholic school) that Wicca is a cult and not a religion so obviously I was scared and wary of cults and cult like behaviour so I steered clear. But then I dug into the history and facts and researched on my own outside of school bookstores libraries and internet, and actually found out that Wicca is a religion, a nature based religion and that it is legally recognized as such in the USA. In fact if children are of this religion they are to be given the same rights of taking time off for the sabbats if they wish just as Easter there is usually no school. It was very interesting to look into it deeper. I was also always taught that witchcraft is satanism but when I researched it is not the same thing it is not a religion but a craft and you can be of any religion and still be a practicing witch. So my question is, why is Wicca taught in the church and catholic schools as a cult( in my experience) when it is actually in fact a religion?
 
Witches are pagans.
you can be of any religion and still be a practicing witch.
Certainly not the Catholic religion, or any Christian religion for that matter. Christianity and witchcraft are inherently opposed to one another.
 
It’s a religion, but one the devil would love to lure you to as it is not Christ centered.
 
Witchcraft at its core is how to bend the rules of the Universe to one’s will regardless of GOD will.
That is why it is completely opposite to what Christianity is, which is to align ourselves to the will of GOD.
 
So my question is, why is Wicca taught in the church and catholic schools as a cult( in my experience) when it is actually in fact a religion?
Hello Delrey,
I no longer consider myself a Catholic, so I don’t feel I should try and supply an answer. I would like to mention though to go within yourself for the answers without the use of outside objects.
 
One definition of cult is a religion. We even use the term to describe things within Catholicism, such as the Cult of Mary. It just denotes a particular form of worship.

If you practice wicca or any pagan religion, you will not be considered a Christian by any serious Church. You can’t serve God and wealth, so how could you serve the true God while serving false ones, or elevating nature to the level of deity? How can you claim to be a Christian if you opt to do what God very specifically has said not to do. Maybe fellow witches would allow you to practice both, but you cease to be Christian in the eyes of the Church as well as God Himself by going down such a path.
 
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I was taught in school (more than one catholic school) that Wicca is a cult and not a religion so obviously I was scared and wary of cults and cult like behaviour so I steered clear.
Cults and religions are not mutually exclusive.
But then I dug into the history and facts and researched on my own outside of school bookstores libraries and internet, and actually found out that Wicca is a religion,
Wicca is essentially a a modern-day revival of paganism–which was also what historical witchcraft was in many cases, leftover remnants of paganism.
a nature based religion and that it is legally recognized as such in the USA.
Government recognition is meaningless. Because the US is a religiously free country, it is incredibly easy to get IRS recognition as a religion.
In fact if children are of this religion they are to be given the same rights of taking time off for the sabbats if they wish just as Easter there is usually no school.
OK, but that just once again shows how tolerant the US is of people’s religious practices. It is not an endorsement of those beliefs, and it doesn’t tell us anything about whether that religion is a good one.
I was also always taught that witchcraft is satanism but when I researched it is not the same thing it is not a religion but a craft and you can be of any religion and still be a practicing witch.
Something is satanic not simply because it invokes Satan. Many who practice wicca or other forms of paganism would say that Satan is a Christian construct that they don’t believe. Nevertheless, from a Christian perspective, a witch can believe herself to be invoking other spirits, but the actual forces that are being called upon are demonic in their true nature.
So my question is, why is Wicca taught in the church and catholic schools as a cult( in my experience) when it is actually in fact a religion?
It is a religion that is contrary to Christianity. Whether it is a “cult” or not is irrelevant.
 
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In the US, for legal purposes, a religion is anything the practitioner claims it is. You can start your own religion today if you felt like it, and claim religious exemptions.

But as an above poster said, the purpose of witchcraft is to bend the universe to your will. Ie, pride.
 
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WingsofEagles – It’s a religion, but one the devil would love to lure you to as it is not Christ centered.

That’s a bit religio-centric isn’t it? Just because a particular spiritual path is not Christ centered, doesn’t automatically mean the Devil is luring one to it (or that it’s inherently ‘evil’ or ‘bad’).

JerryZ – Witchcraft at its core is how to bend the rules of the Universe to one’s will regardless of GOD will.

I have to respectfully disagree a bit here. That statement is not quite right. Though one may wish to affect a change in the Universe, that change must conform to the principal of ‘harming none’. Sounds easy when you say it, but if you really think about it, it’s not quite as simple as it sounds.

When one prays to God, one is asking God (presumably) to affect a change in the Universe. One may want the Universe to change (bend) according to one’s own will, but ultimately, it’s up to God.

When a Wiccan prays, or, in some cases, engages in a more formal ritualistic type of praying (usually known as spell work), like the Christian, s/he is asking the Universe to change (bend) according to his/her will, but that change must be “for the good of all, harming none”.

Thus, there is an ‘acknowledgement’ (for lack of a better way to put it) on the part of the practitioner that the change they are trying to affect, may not necessarily ‘work’, as somewhere along the way it will cause harm to someone. This is similar to a Christian acknowledging that a prayer may not be answered according to the will of God.

‘Harm’ here is a sort of generic term. I would rephrase it better and say that it will have no ‘negative effect’ on anyone. So again, it may sound like it’s to ‘one’s own will’, but really, it’s not. Ultimately, it’s the Divine that affects the change (if anything is changed at all) so the will of the Divine is not at all disregarded.

The Wiccan concept of the world sees/acknowledges the Divine in everything (particularly in every living thing, including the practitioner). The latter should not be confused with equating oneself to God, but rather recognizing that the Divine is all around us and is in (almost) everything (including us). I don’t think that’s all that far or different from the Christian concept of recognizing God all around oneself and “seeing Christ” in other people.
 
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A few other random points –

There are some practitioners of Wicca who are somewhat eclectic and will work concepts or teachings of other religions (including Christianity) into their practice. One can’t be, for example, Catholic and Wiccan, but one may incorporate some of the concepts/practices of Catholicism into one’s own practice(s)/beliefs.

As mentioned, Wiccans pray too. The nomenclature and methodology are often different depending on when/how it’s done. What Wiccans refer to as ‘spell work’ or ‘spells’ is a form of prayer, though done in a more formal (and often ‘ritualized’) way. Indeed, I think an argument could be made that a “spell” is just a more formal, ritualized form of prayer.

How many people might say a quick little prayer over a lottery ticket just bought before placing it in one’s pocket, or taking it out just before the drawing. How many people recite a quick prayer to find a lost object…the list goes on and on. In the Wiccan world, you’re spellcasting. Different name, but essentially the same concept.

I do NOT mean this to be disrespectful in any way, but as viewed through a Wiccan perspective, one could regard the prayers a priest recites right before transubstantiation takes place as “casting a spell” to change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood. It could be argued that the priest, by reciting the prayers (“casting the spell”), is essentially bending the rules of the Universe to his will. Ultimately however, the priest doesn’t affect the change; God does. It’s not the priest’s will that works the mystery/miracle, it’s God’s.

Wiccan spell casting is sort of the same concept; one tries to bend the rules of the Universe to one’s will “for the good of all and harming none”, but ultimately, it’s up to the Divine whether or not the desired outcome will be attained. And, as with Christian prayer, the petition may be answered, but not always in the way one hopes it might be.

Just as there are patron Saints for just about everything under the sun from whom many people ask intercession, so there are (for some Wiccans) many various deities associated with various things. The difference is that, at least in theory, a Catholic is asking for intercession from the Saint while a Wiccan would be praying to the specific deity.

In looking at it this way, I can see how Protestants incorrectly associate this practice to assert that Catholics are engaging in Pagan practices by “praying to Saints” (which, of course, is not true).

I can’t speak to all varieties of Wicca, but for the most part, the above descriptions are the general way it works.

Calling forces that Wiccans draw upon as being somehow demonic just because they are not the same forces a Christian calls upon is, again, a rather religio-centric view. Would the same be said for Hindus or Buddhists?
 
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Religious paths based on (European) Pre-Christian beliefs are obviously not Biblically-based; thus, to judge something like Wicca, Druidry, Asatru, etc. by Biblical scriptures is like judging the game of baseball by the “scriptures” of water polo; as much as you may want it to, it just doesn’t work. It doesn’t automatically equate with being ‘evil’, it’s just a different worldview than your own.

On another note – In the Wiccan world, there is no ‘entity’ that is inherently evil who tries to lure people away from goodness/the Light/God. That concept just does not exist which seems to be very difficult for some Christians to wrap their heads around. That said, that certainly does not mean that there is no evil or evil/dark forces. Evil is very real, and Wiccans must deal with it just as everyone else does, but for Wiccans, said evil just does not come in the form of a deity/entity like the Christian entity called Satan. The concept of the Devil/Satan is a very Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept.

And no, Wicca/Paganism is certainly not a cult – though to be fair, just like in any religion, there always seems to be a group or two that are “out there on the fringes” who can certainly be seen by other Wiccans as being more of a ‘cult’ than anything else.

Just my 2 kopeks worth.
 
Interesting, and I hope your good posts enlighten some folks who may hold false preconceptions. However, cult, witchcraft, or non-Christian religion the Catholic calling is the same, to treat all people with love and respect, and to be a beacon of Christ.

In fact the more I think about it the more I appreciate these posts in the hope that some who might ascribe unforgiveable evil to that which they do not understand might reconsider.
 
I agree -

Don’t get me wrong - Christianity and Wicca are two extremely different concepts and most people are quick to point to the obvious differences.

I’m suggesting that, rather than focusing solely on the differences, try to also see the similarities.

With respect to the differences, try and see the reason behind the difference, or try and understand the concept behind it; don’t just automatically equate it with evil, the Devil/demons/Satan, etc.
 
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