Opinions please: Valid reasons for switching rites, or complaining and self-centeredness?

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What, in your opinions, constitute valid reasons for switching rites? I must admit that over the past year or so I have been feeling increasingly isolated from the Roman Catholic ways, and talks with Dominican priests and brothers, an RCIA director, and fellow laypeople have not done much except to further focus my attention on the great spiritual hole that seems to have developed within me, despite my desperate attempts to maintain the idea that everyone goes through periods of low faith or spiritual isolation, so this too will pass. I have spent this Lenten season trying to develop a deeper connection to my faith, and to the extent that I have been successful it has been through fasting, not the academic sort of learning that I also embarked upon when I first started feeling so withdrawn (I thought it might help to read the reflections of some great Christians authors; it did, in a way, but that is not the same as actually feeling things within myself).

Somewhere along the way, I have come to the idea that I might switch rites. In no way do I feel that Roman Catholicism is somehow inferior to any other Church, but it does not seem as though the ways of thinking that I have been exposed to via my priests necessarily match my experience in various areas. For instance, in talking to my priest in confession about sin and how it is conceptualized, he talked about it in terms of offenses against the cardinal virtues, whereas I felt it a sort of spiritual sickness (this makes the most sense to me; I did it, and I did it not in ignorance…how can that be anything BUT a sickness?). I have long been aware that this is something more akin to an “Eastern” view, and in reading up over the Lenten season on the Maronites and other Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox I have found much more that has captivated me in the Eastern experience of God as expressed via their forms of worship.

I have no roots in the East, either genealogically or traditionally (the only other practicing Catholic in my family is my grandmother, and she’s from Mexico; not exactly a hotbed of Eastern Christian thought!). I have no idea where I would have picked up any preconceived idea on any particular topic, either from an Eastern or Western perspective (especially since I was raised Presbyterian, not any kind of Catholic or Orthodox). It seems to me that I have only to rely on experience (not books or classes or any of that!), and therein lies the problem: I don’t feel like I am experiencing much in the Roman Catholic Church anymore. Just a lot of confusion as I watch other people sing “Glory, Glory Halleluja” and shake tambourines. 😦

What does anyone think? Are there any converts here from the RC (or from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism) who can enlighten me with their own experiences? I really don’t know what to do. I have gotten a lot of advice that amounts to “ignore it” or “pray about it and it will go away”, but neither seems to be working.
 
If you haven’t already done so, you might want to have a look at some past threads. There are several others, but [thread=306338] this[/thread] one comes to mind since it was relatively recent.
 
… have long been aware that this is something more akin to an “Eastern” view, and in reading up over the Lenten season on the Maronites and other Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox I have found much more that has captivated me in the Eastern experience of God as expressed via their forms of worship.

What does anyone think?
You’ve not yet the breadth nor depth of experience to make the decision, IMO.

What you have is identified a direction to pursue your faith journey, and the culmination is the decision to canonically change enrollment.

The 1st is identifying that one isn’t where one needs to be.
The 2nd is finding where one thinks one needs to be
the 3rd is trying on that expression of the church.

Find your local non-Roman but still Catholic parish. Experience their liturgy and lifestyle for a year or two. Then consider if you need to make a switch.
 
Dear brother dzheremi,
Hello All,

What, in your opinions, constitute valid reasons for switching rites? I must admit that over the past year or so I have been feeling increasingly isolated from the Roman Catholic ways, and talks with Dominican priests and brothers, an RCIA director, and fellow laypeople have not done much except to further focus my attention on the great spiritual hole that seems to have developed within me, despite my desperate attempts to maintain the idea that everyone goes through periods of low faith or spiritual isolation, so this too will pass. I have spent this Lenten season trying to develop a deeper connection to my faith, and to the extent that I have been successful it has been through fasting, not the academic sort of learning that I also embarked upon when I first started feeling so withdrawn (I thought it might help to read the reflections of some great Christians authors; it did, in a way, but that is not the same as actually feeling things within myself).

Somewhere along the way, I have come to the idea that I might switch rites. In no way do I feel that Roman Catholicism is somehow inferior to any other Church, but it does not seem as though the ways of thinking that I have been exposed to via my priests necessarily match my experience in various areas. For instance, in talking to my priest in confession about sin and how it is conceptualized, he talked about it in terms of offenses against the cardinal virtues, whereas I felt it a sort of spiritual sickness (this makes the most sense to me; I did it, and I did it not in ignorance…how can that be anything BUT a sickness?). I have long been aware that this is something more akin to an “Eastern” view, and in reading up over the Lenten season on the Maronites and other Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox I have found much more that has captivated me in the Eastern experience of God as expressed via their forms of worship.

I have no roots in the East, either genealogically or traditionally (the only other practicing Catholic in my family is my grandmother, and she’s from Mexico; not exactly a hotbed of Eastern Christian thought!). I have no idea where I would have picked up any preconceived idea on any particular topic, either from an Eastern or Western perspective (especially since I was raised Presbyterian, not any kind of Catholic or Orthodox). It seems to me that I have only to rely on experience (not books or classes or any of that!), and therein lies the problem: I don’t feel like I am experiencing much in the Roman Catholic Church anymore. Just a lot of confusion as I watch other people sing “Glory, Glory Halleluja” and shake tambourines. 😦

What does anyone think? Are there any converts here from the RC (or from Protestantism to Roman Catholicism) who can enlighten me with their own experiences? I really don’t know what to do. I have gotten a lot of advice that amounts to “ignore it” or “pray about it and it will go away”, but neither seems to be working.
Your journey is not uncommon, no less common than for Easterns or Orientals who find the different focus of the Latin Church to be attractive to their own personal spirituality, and therefore translate to the Latin Church (I think there was a recent EO member here who wanted to translate to the Latin Church in such wise). If the explanation of the Eastern Church is more gratifying to you spiritually, then it shouldn’t be a cause of concern to you. Follow your heart.

As far as your experience in the confessional, in my own Coptic Church, the Justice of God is a greater theme in our spirituality (similar to the Latins) than in the Eastern Church. But the idea of “sickness” is certainly just as prevalent. Perhaps you were asking a different question than what you were expecting an answer to? That sin is an offense against the Cardinal virtues seems to me to answer the question “WHAT is sin?” On the other hand, that sin is a sickness would rather be an answer to the question, “HOW does sin affect my soul?”

To me, it all comes down to what I referred to in another thread as the different focuses on ELEMENTS of the SAME FAITH within each respective Church. If your heart (and mind) is more concerned with a particular element that is more prevalent in one Church than in another, then go to that place where you will be enabled to be CLOSER TO HIM. That should always be our focus of spirituality - what will get me into a closer union or relationship with God. For some, it is by way of mystery; for others it is by way of reason; for others yet, it can be a number of different things. But they should always lead to the same end.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Malphono: Thank you, I’ve read through that thread at your suggestion. It is good to know that I am not the only one in this sort of situation.

Aramis: I completely agree with you. This thread is a really abbreviated summary of what lead me to where I am now, not really a declaration of any intent to actually switch rites. I am merely trying to make sense of where I am to go from here. Thank you for your advice. I will search out a local Eastern Catholic Church.
If the explanation of the Eastern Church is more gratifying to you spiritually, then it shouldn’t be a cause of concern to you. Follow your heart.
Thank you for the encouragement and reassurance.
As far as your experience in the confessional, in my own Coptic Church, the Justice of God is a greater theme in our spirituality (similar to the Latins) than in the Eastern Church. But the idea of “sickness” is certainly just as prevalent. Perhaps you were asking a different question than what you were expecting an answer to? That sin is an offense against the Cardinal virtues seems to me to answer the question “WHAT is sin?” On the other hand, that sin is a sickness would rather be an answer to the question, “HOW does sin affect my soul?”
Father had asked me how I conceptualize sin…but no matter, this is not a big point of “revelation” for me, just one example as to how I am beginning to feel slightly ‘out of step’ with some aspects of Roman Catholicism as it is being taught to me. I don’t think one answer is right and another wrong, and I would not abandon the Roman rite over this. I am more concerned in how my relationship with God is beginning to be affected by all this confusion.
To me, it all comes down to what I referred to in another thread as the different focuses on ELEMENTS of the SAME FAITH within each respective Church. If your heart (and mind) is more concerned with a particular element that is more prevalent in one Church than in another, then go to that place where you will be enabled to be CLOSER TO HIM. That should always be our focus of spirituality - what will get me into a closer union or relationship with God. For some, it is by way of mystery; for others it is by way of reason; for others yet, it can be a number of different things. But they should always lead to the same end.
I agree completely. Thank you for these wise words.
 
One thing–it’s not “switching rites,” but “changing sui juris church.”

A man of my acquaintance who was raised Latin, pass through various Protestant churches, and then returned said that he found the intimacy with God in the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, with the un-self-conscious participation of the singing congregation (to say nothing of seeing babies being brought to Communion) much more satisfactory spiritually.
 
Dixibehr: Thanks for the correction. Apologies if I have offended anyone with that mistake.
 
Just attending some 'Eastern Catholic churches is a great experience, and one that is holy for a Latin Catholic, too. There is no need to pressure yourself with whether to change Rites or Churches - but there is great opportunity to expand your Catholic experience by visiting the Eastern Catholic Churches. Your Sunday obligation is fulfilled at any of these, and there is a beautiful exposure to just a little different way of seeing our grand faith.
 
One correction to the correction: it’s a “change of canonical enrollment.”

It may in fact also be a change of Rite, as well as always including a change of enrollment from one Church Sui Iuris to another… For a Latin Catholic or Armenian Catholic, it is both a change of Church Enrollment and of Rite… tho’ a Ukrainian switching to the Ruthenian church would merely be a change of enrollment.

And the documents that govern the process include a number that predate the terminology changes…
 
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