Oppose the UK MEGA MOSQUE? you could be KILLED

[MugenOne]

This is the religion of peace at work!

A leading opponent of plans to build Europe’s largest mosque in east London has seen a chilling “obituary” for him posted on the internet.

The film on video-sharing website YouTube is entitled In memory of Councillor Alan Craig and contains pictures of him with his wife and two young daughters.

It was apparently posted in retaliation for his opposition to the mosque.

dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=491977&in_page_id=1770

 

[YACatholic]

Whoever delivered this threat is no more Muslim than a Christian who would threaten someone who opposed the building of a church. To use one persons radicalness to describe an entire religion is irresponsible at best. Did you know that the person who blew up the Oklahoma City federal building was a Christian? Christians must be people of violence. See, it doesn’t add up.

 

[exoflare]

Did you know that the person who blew up the Oklahoma City federal building was a Christian? Christians must be people of violence. See, it doesn’t add up.

That’s very profound. You must be the first person in the world to ever say that.

 

[Contarini]

Whoever delivered this threat is no more Muslim than a Christian who would threaten someone who opposed the building of a church.

Well, such a threat would not mean that the person wasn’t “Christian.” You are using “Christian” and “Muslim” in an irresponsibly subjective way. This kind of language is silly and completely obfuscates rational discussion of religion.

To use one persons radicalness to describe an entire religion is irresponsible at best.

We’re not talking about one person here. I agree that we can’t smear all Muslims with the actions of some, but neither can we say that those who act in this way are not Muslims. They obviously are, and they obviously are acting on the basis of their religion as they understand it (as are those who act in a more peaceful fashion).

Did you know that the person who blew up the Oklahoma City federal building was a Christian? Christians must be people of violence. See, it doesn’t add up.

Christians are, historically, quite violent. It adds up very well if you cut out the sentimental subjectification of religious terminology. A Christian is someone who professes faith in Christ. A Muslim is someone who professes that there is one God and Muhammad is His prophet. You find all sorts of people, and all sorts of opinions, in both camps. But by and large both religions have been characterized by high levels of violence in the name of the respective religions–more universal and difficult to eradicate in the case of Islam, but (it seems to me) at least as vicious and intense in Christianity when it has occurred.

Edwin

 

[YACatholic]

That’s very profound. You must be the first person in the world to ever say that.

Thank you

 

[angelusm]

This is the religion of peace at work!

A leading opponent of plans to build Europe’s largest mosque in east London has seen a chilling “obituary” for him posted on the internet.

The film on video-sharing website YouTube is entitled In memory of Councillor Alan Craig and contains pictures of him with his wife and two young daughters.

It was apparently posted in retaliation for his opposition to the mosque.

dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=491977&in_page_id=1770

UK is a country of non-believers. If they want to survive they have to do something about islam. The only thing that comes to my mind is… to convert muslims. But the British won’t do it because as I said they are non-believers. So the alternative is simple: Brits become christians again and then convert muslims or they will HAVE TO become muslims some day.

 

[Kaninchen]

UK is a country of non-believers. If they want to survive they have to do something about islam. The only thing that comes to my mind is… to convert muslims. But the British won’t do it because as I said they are non-believers. So the alternative is simple: Brits become christians again and then convert muslims or they will HAVE TO become muslims some day.

Total number of Muslims in the UK - around 1.6 million.

Total number of Polish migrants so far since Poland’s EU membership in 2003 - 700,000 - 1 Million.

Perhaps the UK needs to import more Muslims to help counter the Polish Catholic Menace!*

*Note - the allusion to Poles, Catholicism and Menace should not be taken as a serious statement about Poles, Catholics and Menaces, it’s merely a means of suggesting that posters really should try to keep up with the current state of the paranoia market]

 

[LDNCatholic]

Haha nice one kaninchen

Angelusm. What experience do you have with Britain? Do you live there? Moreover what is your experience with Muslims here in the UK, London specifically? And are all the people of Britain non believers?

God Bless

Peter

 

[Wolseley]

Did you know that the person who blew up the Oklahoma City federal building was a Christian? Christians must be people of violence. See, it doesn’t add up.

It doesn’t really matter one way or the other. All those people were still just as dead either way, weren’t they?

 

[YACatholic]

It doesn’t really matter one way or the other. All those people were still just as dead either way, weren’t they?

Exactly. It is a terrible tradgedy. You can’t call Muslims violent people just because some use their religion to rationalize evil acts. Otherwise you would have to call Christians, or even Catholics, evil because of some people who use the religion to rationalize killing and bombing abortionists.

Both of these groups are miniscule minorities despite the amount of media coverage they get. You can not categorize an enitre group of people based on what a minority of that group does You wouldn’t allow your kids to do it. Why would it be okay for you?

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut. God Bless America…and every place else

 

[Contarini]

Both of these groups are miniscule minorities despite the amount of media coverage they get.

The proportions are very far from the same.

What exactly counts as “miniscule” in your view? A very large number of Muslims think that violence against those who insult or attack Islam is legitimate. A much smaller number of them think that suicide attacks on civilian targets in the West (as opposed to Israel, which is more widely seen as a legitimate target) are called for in response to what they perceive as Western attacks on Islam. But I’m not sure that I’d call even that smaller number “miniscule.”

Since you are the one who used this word, could you give us some specific percentages?

Edwin

 

[Swamp_Yankee]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far, all of the terrorists are Muslims.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far, all of the terrorists are Muslims.

I don’t know, Irish Catholics and Protestants have contributed a fair few. The Sikhs and Hindus have done their own part for terrorism in India and Sri Lanka, those Aum Shinrikyo/Aleph guys in Japan have been influenced by Buddhism.

 

[Swamp_Yankee]

Sorry, I was only referring to the current conflict.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Fair enough, well then in that case my previous reply can act as a reminder to more biased, less informed people who come across this thread.

 

[YACatholic]

The proportions are very far from the same.

What exactly counts as “miniscule” in your view? A very large number of Muslims think that violence against those who insult or attack Islam is legitimate. A much smaller number of them think that suicide attacks on civilian targets in the West (as opposed to Israel, which is more widely seen as a legitimate target) are called for in response to what they perceive as Western attacks on Islam. But I’m not sure that I’d call even that smaller number “miniscule.”

Since you are the one who used this word, could you give us some specific percentages?

Edwin

Thank you for your post. I apologize for not backing up the word “minscule” with some kind of source. Since I made an affirmative statement, the burden of proof rests on me.

First, I can not rely on any type of survey (let alone one I have not seen and do not know the source of) to clarify what a percentage of Muslims think about specific topics. Some of the governments do not allow free speech and there is no way an unbiased party would be allowed the access necessary to collect a representative sample (only those with a “pro-Islam” point of view working in conjunction with a government would be allowed the broad access needed)

The percentages to back up my claim that the “Muslims” who perform acts or terror are a minsicule population of the whole can best be illustrated in two proofs.

1. The ten countries with the largest number of Muslims by population, make up a total of over 65% of the world population of Islam. That is around 987,000,000 Muslims out of 1.5 bllion. (unbiased source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country) Only one of these countries, Iran, is considered a threat to National Security.
2. The nations of those involved in the 9/11, Madrid, London, USS Cole, and all other international attacks account for 1.73% of the world’s Muslim population. This means that even if every terrorist who had completed an international attack was backed by their entire nation, who also were all international terrorists, they would only make up 1.73% of the world’s Muslim population and .43% of the world population. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country) I would describe a group that makes up .43% of a poplation, even the world population, as minscule.

I believe all of these points support my claim. Of course I’m sure there will be dissenting views. I appreciate your feedback.

Contarini, now that I have met my burden of proof for my affirmative statement of the miniscule population of Muslim terrorists, I would like to know the source of your information on the views of Muslims. Who conducted this study? What nations were involved? What amount of access were they granted? How large was the sample? What value-neutral questions were asked? I do not believe a survey on this topic can be unbaised one way or another, but I am interested. I have a degree in Sociology and would like to know where this study was published. But more than any of that, thank you for contributing to this discussion in an academic manner. I apprectiate it. Have a great day.

God bless,
YACatholic:thumbsup: