Opus Dei vs. Regnum Christi

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First, I do not want to make this a competition between the two, which I know are both excellent lay organizations. The title of this thread referrs to a comparison, rather.

Lately, I’ve felt a calling to join Opus Dei. However, I’m curious what significant differences in spirtuality, practices, organization, etc. Opus Dei has from Regnum Christi. I have a serious girlfriend, and several friends who are members of Regnum Christi and it clearly seems to be a great movement. Spiritual direction, daily readings and meditations, retreats, etc. I’m wondering how far off this is from Opus Dei.

Also, if any members of Opus Dei from Washington State see this, I’d love to hear your experience! I know that neither OD or RC are approved in the Seattle Archdiocese.

Thanks : )
 
Both orders are very good orders. There has been a lot of negative things said about both. But as a member of Regnum Christi for 16 years I will tell you I love the way that Father Marcial Maciel and the movement of Regnum Christi has helped me to grow in my faith. I have met many wonderful Opus Dei members as well and feel that both orders do great work to help build the church. I think Opus Dei is a little stricter than Regnum Christi.
I loved the way I became a member and did not have to start out as a saint to be a member. It reminded me a lot of the way Christ worked when he walked the earth. He worked with the sinners to make saints. As I personally feel that Regnum Christi does.
 
Vianney said:
First, I do not want to make this a competition between the two, which I know are both excellent lay organizations. The title of this thread referrs to a comparison, rather.

Lately, I’ve felt a calling to join Opus Dei. However, I’m curious what significant differences in spirtuality, practices, organization, etc. Opus Dei has from Regnum Christi. I have a serious girlfriend, and several friends who are members of Regnum Christi and it clearly seems to be a great movement. Spiritual direction, daily readings and meditations, retreats, etc. I’m wondering how far off this is from Opus Dei.

Also, if any members of Opus Dei from Washington State see this, I’d love to hear your experience! I know that neither OD or RC are approved in the Seattle Archdiocese.

Thanks : )
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Opus Dei is terrific…I know some :cool: people in it:thumbsup:
 
Toni said:
Both orders are very good orders. There has been a lot of negative things said about both. But as a member of Regnum Christi for 16 years I will tell you I love the way that Father Marcial Maciel and the movement of Regnum Christi has helped me to grow in my faith. I have met many wonderful Opus Dei members as well and feel that both orders do great work to help build the church. I think Opus Dei is a little stricter than Regnum Christi.
I loved the way I became a member and did not have to start out as a saint to be a member. It reminded me a lot of the way Christ worked when he walked the earth. He worked with the sinners to make saints. As I personally feel that Regnum Christi does.
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“…as a member of Regnum Christi for 16 years I will tell you I love the way that Father Marcial Maciel and the movement of Regnum Christi has helped me to grow in my faith.”

Have a look at what Marcial did to this boy’s faith!

file:///RC:LC/Grandfather’s%20Tale.html

Opus Dei exists only for the good of Opus Dei. Opus Dei DOES NOT work outside Opus Dei so how on earth can they rebuild the church.
Opus Dei and Regnum Christi use spiritual blackmail to con the chosen few into joining. To say that this is the way Jesus worked when he walked on the earth is a very wrong thing to say but I do not judge you as ‘they’ have obviously done a good job on you.
You don’t need Opus Dei to be Catholic.

This article may help you to understand better.

odan.org/media_leopards_in_the_temple.htm
 
I’ve seen the ODAN web site before. I discounted it then and now. Your link for Regnum Christi is not workable.
 
OK, here we go again. I know that the OP did not intend this thread to turn into this, but it seems that every few weeks, an Opus Dei thread gets started and the link to ODAN is posted. I agree with Slyboots that that site is much ado about nothing. A lot of sour-grapes/jealousy, if you ask me.

Having said that, Holy Family, I find the overconfidence of your assertions about both organizations, based on two sour-grapes websites, completely astounding! :eek:
“…as a member of Regnum Christi for 16 years I will tell you I love the way that Father Marcial Maciel and the movement of Regnum Christi has helped me to grow in my faith.”

Have a look at what Marcial did to this boy’s faith!

file:///RC:LC/Grandfather’s%20Tale.html
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Of course, all the evil things we read online about someone must be true, right?! :eek: Put that up against Toni’s years of real-world experience and you have a lot of nothing!
Opus Dei exists only for the good of Opus Dei. Opus Dei DOES NOT work outside Opus Dei so how on earth can they rebuild the church.
Opus Dei and Regnum Christi use spiritual blackmail to con the chosen few into joining. To say that this is the way Jesus worked when he walked on the earth is a very wrong thing to say but I do not judge you as ‘they’ have obviously done a good job on you.
You don’t need Opus Dei to be Catholic.
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Now we’re in my backyard. DH and I are both cooperators of Opus Dei. Of course, your assertion that Opus Dei is insular is nonsense. The very point of the Work’s spirituality is to carry Christ into our everyday lives (work, family, etc.), all **without tooting our own horns **(how this translates as “secretive” is a mystery to me! How very telling about the pride of our culture this is.).

I was not aware the the Church needed rebuilding. I thought Christ left it in pretty good shape! 😃

I have yet to meet anyone involved with the Work who was “spiritually blackmailed” or abused in any way. Sour-grapes most often come from those who misjudge their vocations and end-up unhappy. So, rather than changing course, forgiving themselves as Christ does, and moving on, they must slander and gripe endlessly to others.

Of course, one does not need Opus Dei to be Catholic! 🙂 It’s not for everyone, but for those called to it, it makes us better Catholics than we would otherwise be!

So, Holy Family, unless you have more to go on than what you’ve presented, maybe this thread is best left to those who want to discuss what the OP intended.

I’m sorry that I can’t help you much, Vianney, as I only know about the Work. But, I would recommend that you contact the nearest priest or center of Opus Dei to see if there are any activities within driving distance of you. Barring that, perhaps reading as many of the great Scepter titles as you can would be the next best thing.

God bless you all!
 
Kristen said:
OK, here we go again. I know that the OP did not intend this thread to turn into this, but it seems that every few weeks, an Opus Dei thread gets started and the link to ODAN is posted. I agree with Slyboots that that site is much ado about nothing. A lot of sour-grapes/jealousy, if you ask me.

Having said that, Holy Family, I find the overconfidence of your assertions about both organizations, based on two sour-grapes websites, completely astounding! :eek:

Of course, all the evil things we read online about someone must be true, right?! :eek: Put that up against Toni’s years of real-world experience and you have a lot of nothing!

Now we’re in my backyard. DH and I are both cooperators of Opus Dei. Of course, your assertion that Opus Dei is insular is nonsense. The very point of the Work’s spirituality is to carry Christ into our everyday lives (work, family, etc.), all **without tooting our own horns **(how this translates as “secretive” is a mystery to me! How very telling about the pride of our culture this is.).

I was not aware the the Church needed rebuilding. I thought Christ left it in pretty good shape! 😃

I have yet to meet anyone involved with the Work who was “spiritually blackmailed” or abused in any way. Sour-grapes most often come from those who misjudge their vocations and end-up unhappy. So, rather than changing course, forgiving themselves as Christ does, and moving on, they must slander and gripe endlessly to others.

Of course, one does not need Opus Dei to be Catholic! 🙂 It’s not for everyone, but for those called to it, it makes us better Catholics than we would otherwise be!

So, Holy Family, unless you have more to go on than what you’ve presented, maybe this thread is best left to those who want to discuss what the OP intended.

I’m sorry that I can’t help you much, Vianney, as I only know about the Work. But, I would recommend that you contact the nearest priest or center of Opus Dei to see if there are any activities within driving distance of you. Barring that, perhaps reading as many of the great Scepter titles as you can would be the next best thing.

God bless you all!
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The testimonies on ODAN were put there by genuine devout Catholics who have been harmed in some mind control way by Opus Dei.

Give me evidence that money is not central to the ‘work’ of Opus Dei.
How Opus Dei is Cult-Like
by Sharon Clasen, Former numerary
file:/ODAN%20ODAN%20%20How%20Opus%20Dei%20is%20Cult-like.html

I ask you to read it. Then discuss it. I look forward to the comments.
 
"OK, here we go again. I know that the OP did not intend this thread to turn into this, but it seems that every few weeks, an Opus Dei thread gets started and the link to ODAN is posted. " :eek:

Gee I wonder why???
 
There is one thing worse than a Catholic slandering saints of the Church (like Saint Josemaria) and their legacies (like Opus Dei), and that is doing so without real evidence and for dubious purposes! One should take great care before putting oneself on the opposite side of the Church! Her guidance exists for our safety.

What is **your **beef with the Work, Holy Family? You must have more to go on than some critical Net reading! All but two of your posts so far on this forum have been to slam Saint Josemaria or Opus Dei. What is this really about? As for me, I’ll take the word of the Church which made him a saint and that makes his group a “personal prelature” – and my own experience and that of many others I know – over that of a few people with sour grapes. Unless you have more to give me than a Web site!
The testimonies on ODAN were put there by genuine devout Catholics who have been harmed in some mind control way by Opus Dei.
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I’m sure that many of them are devout Catholics who have some unhealed wound. They are simply doing the wrong thing about their wound. Rather than taking it to the Doctor, they are bleeding it over and over again, all the while casting aspersions on the Doctor’s office (if you’ll allow the analogy).
Give me evidence that money is not central to the ‘work’ of Opus Dei.
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I know that the Work is not about money because I have yet to be asked, let alone pressured, to give one red cent to it! In fact, my husband and I were once confused about where to send our Opus Dei donation because we had not been clearly directed! No one I know has ever said boo about being dunned for money, either.
I ask you to read it. Then discuss it. I look forward to the comments.
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I never was much for “Truth or Dare,” but I’ll take truth over dare any day! The truth is that there are many holy people in Opus Dei, there are many sinners, and they are often the same people at different times! Just like in the rest of the Church.

I don’t know, and neither do you, what really happened to the ODAN people, unless you are one of them. What we can know is what the Church tells us and what we experience. So, I ask **you **to pick up *Furrow *or one of St. Josemaria’s other works, put it into practice, then tell me what you think of Opus Dei! I think you’ll find it far more edifying than reading the ODAN Web site. If you’re feeling really daring, maybe hook-up with a local Opus Dei Circle and meet some of us dangerous 😃 wives/mommies/orderers of the chaos. We put our pants on one leg at a time, too, though maybe we say a “Hail Mary” while doing it! 😉

Christ’s blessings,
 
Kristen said:
And, there is one thing worse than a Catholic slandering saints of the Church (like Saint Josemaria) and their legacies (like Opus Dei), and that is doing so without real evidence and for dubious purposes! One should take great care before putting oneself on the opposite side of the Church! Her guidance exists for our safety.

What is **your **beef with the Work, Holy Family? You must have more to go on than some critical Net reading! All but two of your posts so far on this forum have been to slam Saint Josemaria or Opus Dei. What is this really about? As for me, I’ll take the word of the Church which made him a saint and that makes his group a “personal prelature” – and my own experience and that of many others I know – over that of a few people with sour grapes. Unless you have more to give me than a Web site!

I’m sure that many of them are devout Catholics who have some unhealed wound. They are simply doing the wrong thing about their wound. Rather than taking it to the Doctor, they are bleeding it over and over again, all the while casting aspersions on the Doctor’s office (if you’ll allow the analogy).

I know that the Work is not about money because I have yet to be asked, let alone pressured, to give one red cent to it! In fact, my husband and I were once confused about where to send our Opus Dei donation because we had not been clearly directed! No one I know has ever said boo about being dunned for money, either.

I never was much for “Truth or Dare,” but I’ll take truth over dare any day! The truth is that there are many holy people in Opus Dei, there are many sinners, and they are often the same people at different times! Just like in the rest of the Church.

I don’t know, and neither do you, what really happened to the ODAN people, unless you are one of them. What we can know is what the Church tells us and what we experience. So, I ask **you **to pick up *Furrow *or one of St. Josemaria’s other works, put it into practice, then tell me what you think of Opus Dei! I think you’ll find it far more edifying than reading the ODAN Web site. If you’re feeling really daring, maybe hook-up with a local Opus Dei Circle and meet some of us dangerous 😃 wives/mommies/orderers of the chaos. We put our pants on one leg at a time, too, though maybe we say a “Hail Mary” while doing it! 😉

Christ’s blessings,
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I have read the Furrow.
Your attitude to those suffereing from Opus Dei is arrogant and insensitive and dare I say it unChristian. Very typical Opus Dei.

I had no idea this was a Opus Dei Lover’s website - I think I’ll leave.
 
I have read the Furrow.
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And, what do you think of it? (If you haven’t slammed the door behind you yet!)
Your attitude to those suffereing from Opus Dei is arrogant and insensitive and dare I say it unChristian. Very typical Opus Dei.
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I doubt that one can “suffer from Opus Dei,” but one can suffer from not responding well to the wounds of life. It’s a sad trap that many of us fall into at one time or another. If it is “arrogant, insensitive and unChristian” to state what one has seen to be the truth and ask for real evidence against it (which has yet to be provided), then I guess I’m guilty! :confused:
I had no idea this was a Opus Dei Lover’s website - I think I’ll leave.
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I hardly qualify as a “lover,” but I do love Opus Dei, as do a few others here. Why does what enhances another’s spirituality bother you?:confused:
Well, if you come back, I’d be glad to continue this at a later date (it’s 10:39; must get to bed before little one gets me up for her middle of the night feeding :p). Regardless, I’ll say a prayer for your happiness, if you don’t mind.

Good night,
 
Kristen said:
And, what do you think of it? (If you haven’t slammed the door behind you yet!)

I doubt that one can “suffer from Opus Dei,” but one can suffer from not responding well to the wounds of life. It’s a sad trap that many of us fall into at one time or another. If it is “arrogant, insensitive and unChristian” to state what one has seen to be the truth and ask for real evidence against it (which has yet to be provided), then I guess I’m guilty! :confused:

I hardly qualify as a “lover,” but I do love Opus Dei, as do a few others here. Why does what enhances another’s spirituality bother you?:confused:
Well, if you come back, I’d be glad to continue this at a later date (it’s 10:39; must get to bed before little one gets me up for her middle of the night feeding :p). Regardless, I’ll say a prayer for your happiness, if you don’t mind.

Good night,
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I am very happy because I am Opus Dei free and so too are my children. Pray for who ever you like.
We pray to Jose ourselves sometimes - it goes like this…

Dear St. Josemaria Escriva
The Church has found favor with you
And elevated you to sainthood.
You now know so well the sufferings
Of individuals and families involved in Opus Dei.
We therefore beseech you,
If it be God’s will,
To intercede for us and release our Brother/sister…
From the bondage of Opus Dei
And restore unity to his/her family.
This we ask through the Holy Family of Nazareth
Amen

One Our Father…one Hail Mary… One glory be…
for each person mentioned in the prayer.

😉
 
A Catholic cannot be more Catholic that the Pope. Successive Popes have approved of Opus Dei and its founder has been canonised.

It is horrifying that someone should pray the prayer that has been posted. Would you pray that “prayer” in front of the Pope, or would you be embarassed?

I am sorry that you feel that a member of your family has been ‘stolen’ by Opus Dei. However, if they had married and their spouse’s job had taken them away to Kazakhstan, or some part of Congo without telephone lines, would you feel that they had been stolen, or that, as Christ taught, they now belonged to their spouse and that their place was with them? If they had become a missionary and gone to similar places, how would you feel?

Maybe you don’t see them as often, but they have a vocation to live, and one that you don’t seem to understand. The Church is full of many, very different, but equally beautiful charisms and ways to the one goal: unity with God in Heaven. I am a member of Opus Dei- God has chosen this way for me. I have friends with very different vocations, but we are united in our goal.

Being dismissive of othey ways in the Church creates disharmony and disunity and benefits noone, as lapsed Catholics and those outside the Church find it very unattractive, and it does not do our own souls any good either. The Church is the mystical body of Christ. Would you bite off your own foot, or cut out you own liver?
 
To the OP… I hope you haven’t abondoned hope for getting an answer to your question in this thread, and I hope I can shed some light on it for you from my own limited perspective.

I have friends who have been very active members of Regnum Christi for several years, and I joined myself to the movement in writing about a year ago but never made my oral committment due to some lingering reservations about my own calling to the movement. I still hold RC in high esteem because I have seen and experienced the fruits of its formation and retreats in friends and in my own life.

My knowledge of Opus Dei is less personal, though I have scoured the website and read a couple good books (Scott Hahn’s and John Allen’s, and St. Jose Maria Escriva’s “The Way.”) In addition, I have read Russell Shaw’s “The Catholic Laity in the Mission of the Church.” and he is a member, so perhaps that sheds some light on Opus Dei as well? Having said all that, Opus Dei seems just as solid as RC to me.

While the spiritual formation in both seem very similar… committed daily prayer life, daily Mass as much as possible, monthly or bi-monthly reconciliation, spiritual direction, and retreats… the differences, from what I can tell, are that RC seems to focus a lot on organized apostolate, with programs such as Familia (men’s and women’s studies), Conquest (Boys and Girls Clubs), Christian Life (late teen and young adult study groups), and more. Opus Dei seems to focus on the faith lived out in the very ordinary circumstances of daily life, with each moment an opportunity to grow in holiness by serving the Lord. Naturally, RC would apply that same rule, and Opus Dei likely has some organized apostolate, so these are not mutually exclusive ideas… it’s just what I have been able to discern as the real differences in practice. Members of both… feel free to correct me if I have spoken inaccurately. I truly admire both RC and Opus Dei and would not wish to misrepresent either!

God Bless,
Saintjm13
 
Hello Vianney,

I’m afraid I have no first-hand experience of Regnum Christi to offer you, but I will re-post something that I put up several months back in response to another person’s inquiries about Opus Dei in the hopes that it may be of some help to you too. With a few minor changes, here is what I wrote in November:

"Opus Dei, as pointed out above, is a personal prelature of the Catholic Church, founded by St. Josemaría Escriva in 1929 and formally elevated to the status of personal prelature By Pope JPII in 1982.

If you don’t understand what a personal prelature is, don’t worry… not many people would since Opus Dei is presently the only Catholic group that enjoys this status. Basically, it means that the members of Opus Dei have their own bishop (presently, Monsignor Javier Echeverría) and that, under his authority, they form a kind of “borderless diocese” if you will. But they are also subject to the authority of bishops in whose diocese they may reside.

So, in all that pertains to their vocations as members of “the Work” as they refer to it in English, as well as their spiritual formation and direction, they are subject to the authority of their prelate. In matters relating to everything else (i.e., their participation in activities in a parish or their diocese) they are subject to the authority of the local bishop.

Some people DO have a problem with them, yes. One reason is the personal prelature thing… some people regard it as a way of circumventing the authority of the local bishop and allowing them to do things without his consent. Not true.

Others object to the strict separation of men and women in all of their activities. Not only are students in the schools which members organise and run divided by gender, but the teaching and administrative staffs too. There are no male teachers or staff in girl’s schools and no women in the ones organised for boy’s. In addition, celibate male and female members of the work receive their spiritual formation separately and do not participate in retreats or engage in apostolic activities together. Totally separate.

You are probably aware that the DaVinci Code painted them as an ultra-secret sect within the Church. They are generally accused even by good Catholics of being secretive about their organisation, its structure and its internal organisation. Too long to go into here, and there is some truth to it, but a lot of this depends on one’s perspective and what “openness” ought to involve. To really understand why the group developed the way it did, I think you have to understand something of the time and place in which it was born–Spain, in 1929, in the very anti-clerical and anti-Catholic atmosphere that existed just before the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War. That war and all its attendant issues and horrors has profoundly marked at least two generations of Spaniards and its effects are still being felt today.

They are also accused of “hard-sell” recruiting tactics when seeking out potential vocations, and of targeting only bright, well-educated and professional men and women. I will only say here that I have met some rather zealous ones, yes … and as for the latter charge, well, given their spirituality of the sanctifying nature of work well done and offered to God, that holiness is everyone’s vocation and that for the laity it’s to be found in the fulfillment of one’s professional and family duties… it’s logical enough. They believe in the responsibility of Christians to transform society from their places of work, and so they do seem to place a lot of emphasis on finding and forming professional men and women in the spirit of The Work. But their members do run inner-city programs for disadvantaged youths and charitable foundations for the poor too.

As far as I know, St. Mary of the Angels Church in Chicago is still the only parish staffed by priests of the Prelature of Opus Dei in the U.S. It’s a good parish. And the majority of the parishioners are not members of Opus Dei either.

Sorry for the really long reply. I’ll just add before closing here that 1) no, I am not a member of Opus Dei, that 2) no, I’m not really inclined to become one either, for various reasons I won’t go into here – they’re personal, though I do disagree with their approach to things on a few important points, that 3) yes, I do know quite a few members of Opus Dei and have quite a few close, personal friends who are in the group, and that 4) there is a good book by John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter (not a likely candidate for the Opus Dei fan club roll) in which he closely examines the group and ends up with a surprisingly favourable opinion of them."
 
Hello again Vianney! 🙂

Since you will undoubtedly hear many other things about Opus Dei that aim to underscore the “secretive”, “dangerous” and “controversial” nature of the group, I will also add another post that I made on another occasion, fyi … hope it helps.

For example, you may have heard that the members of Opus Die practise different kinds of corporal mortifications. This is true. Members of the Work do practise different forms of corporal mortifications, and this is a source of controversy for many people.

Numerary and Associate members, for example, use a small spiked chain called a cilice, which is a small, spiked chain worn around the thigh under one’s trousers, for a period of time each day. I believe that it is not worn for more than two hours at a time, and I do not believe that it causes serious physical pain, more like discomfort.

Some members (the numerary members, I think, though I am not sure if this means all of the numerary members) also practise flagellation, using a discipline made of knotted cords, and sleep on the floor once a week.

You will find this all shocking or not, depending on your ideas about the value these forms of physical penance.

The members of Opus Dei do everything with the guidance of a spiritual director so, in theory at least, there’s always someone to keep an eye on things and make sure that the individuals performing these penances are keeping things in perspective, while encouraging other, less mature individuals to seek other forms of sacrifice and penance. We should hope so at least.

Our degenerated culture, which has a horror of discomfort and pain, and which sees no value whatsoever in suffering, is incapable of understanding or accepting these things. Opus Dei is not the only group that employs them however; they have traditionally been part of monastic life, and even contemporary holy men and women such as Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta, St. Padre Pio and Archbishop Oscar Romero have employed them too.

I will admit that I myself approach the topic of cilices and disciplines with more than a little caution… there is great potential there for emotionally immature individuals to do themselves considerable physical and psychological damage. And there’s always the danger of spiritual pride involved in these kinds of activities. One should never undertake these kinds of penances without the permission and guidance of a very wise and holy spiritual director. For most ordinary Catholics, they are not necessary… fasting and abstinence are much more prudent choices and much less dangerous for the person who wants to deepen the penitential dimension of his or her spiritual life.

IMHO, anyway…
 
We don’t have many Opus Dei around here 😦 , but there is an active Regnum Christi group. I’m not incorporated, but I hang around the edges. My kids have **greatly benefited **from their youth programs. I’m so grateful–my heart flows over with gratitude.

I haven’t incorporated because I can’t give the time for the weekly meetings at this time in my life. Their spirituality is centered on forming Catholic leaders in all areas of life. So, time is given to forming the whole person. Each member is expected to work on an apostolate, but the first apostolate is always the home. And, it doesn’t have to be a Regnum Christi apostolate.

And, the members seem to be concentrated on two sides of Indpls–East and North. On my side of town there aren’t any members. It seems to me that community is a big part of Regnum Christi. I think if I lived on the East or North sides I might consider incorporating.

A few moms I know have dropped their commitments because they didn’t like the way Regnum Christi does formation for each member of the family separately–men go to men groups, women go to women groups, girls of a certain age go to a certain group, and boys of certain ages go to groups. It makes sense that each have different needs, but with so many demands on our time, these women don’t like separating their family members for formation.

Also, I know three families that are opposed to Regnum Christi because their children were overpressured to enter the religious life.

I would be interested to hear how Opus Dei does their formation. Is it in groups? Does it separate the family members?

I’ve also heard good things about Opus Dei youth groups. I’d like to know how they “work.”
 
leonie said:
I’ve also heard good things about Opus Dei youth groups. I’d like to know how they “work.”
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I know a little about that, but not much. I’m not in the Work.

It can be something as simple as a Saturday get together for younger girls to make friendship bracelets or something. A high school age girl will give a talk to the young girls about virtue or friendship for five or 10 minutes at some point in the project. The moms have the opportunity to socialize while their girls are busy with their project. Perhaps also, the moms can hear a talk for them at that time given by a woman.

The point isn’t to separate the mom and the child. The point is to give the girls a wholesome time and the opportunity to form friendships and to give the moms a break while they are there, with nice food and conversation.
 
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