Opus Dei--why don't all traditional-type Catholics get involved with it?

[Faithdancer]

I think you will find a lot of traditional-type Catholics in Opus Dei though.

Hopefully, all of them are traditional. To follow Church teaching is the be a traditional Catholic.

But TLM traditional Catholics are just as common in the Opus Dei - at least around here, it’s the traditional Catholics who endorse and support the Opus Dei’s mission.

Very traditional, agreed, and at the same time modern. I think that St. Josemaria Escriva was right in tune with Vatican II’s emphasis on spiritual empowerment of the laity- yet 30 years before Vatican II!

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

I’m not a “traditional Catholic” but I did hang out with Opus Dei as a kid, and lived in one of their University residences for a year.

I always felt like I was getting the air sucked out of me when I was around them.

I don’t like that spiritual direction with women isn’t done face to face. I get the point why it’s done, but it’s very impersonal and I think it puts up a barrier to spiritual direction. Really, men should be able have more control over their concupiscent appetites than that.

 

[TimothyH]

I don’t like that spiritual direction with women isn’t done face to face. I get the point why it’s done, but it’s very impersonal and I think it puts up a barrier to spiritual direction. Really, men should be able have more control over their concupiscent appetites than that.

Please forgive us for our sexual appetites. We try, but it is truly impossible for us to control ourselves without God working in our lives.

Please pray for us, that God will help us.

-Tim-

 

[Faithdancer]

John Paul II designated Archbishop Paul Marcinkus to be the head of the IOR (Italian acronym for Institute for the Religious Works) This organization provides for the safekeeping and management of the capital and resources of the Church’s many religious orders, congregations and associations. Marcinkus invested money in the Ambrosian Bank, a large Italian financial institution very close to the Vatican. The Ambrosian Bank went into bankruptcy in the early 1980s, and its president Roberto Calvi was indicted and found guilty of corruption and money-laundering and subsequently found dead!!! More than one billion dollar was missing from its accounts !!! Marcinkus was involved in the case as a co-defendant. He was indicted in Italy as an accessory to the bankruptcy and a warrant for his arrest was issued. He fled for safety, however, into the Vatican State. Banks in Switzerland ruled that the Vatican should pay around $250 million as proof of good-will to the Ambrosian Bank creditors. Opus Dei came to the rescue and “lent” the sum to get the Vatican off the hook. John Paul II gave the organization control over Vatican Radio, the L’Osservatore Romano, its own university in Rome. They then requested” the beatification/ canonization of its not-so-saintly founder, José Maria Escrivá. To attend to it John Paul II, set his “saint factory” to work. In short, JP II was involved in a process of “selling” these spiritual and material benefits. Thus, we have the saint-to-be Wojtyla undersuspicion of simony . Enough said about opus dei.

Such a flair for the theatrical, you should make a movie. Oh, wait, somebody already did!

 

[Faithdancer]

Non Sequitor, and a rather uncharitable one at that (depending on your definition of “progressive”). Both Opus Dei, the FSSP, most of the charismatic movement and the Neocatechuminal way are catholic groups in full good standing with Rome (with occasional hiccups that get resolved). “Progressive catholics” is a big tent label that includes such luminaries as Call to Action, Commonweal Magazine, Nancy Pelosi and the kind of folks that call themselves catholic, but obstinately advance principles and teachings diametrically opposed to defined catholic doctrine. To equate charismatics with such people indiscriminately is tantamount to defamation.

I think it was Fr. Bob Barron who put it something like “the divide in catholicism today is not so much one between conservative versus liberal, but between those who believe in a personal and supernatural God and those who don’t anymore.” I think he’s right. When you peel back a lot of the post-Vatican II abuses (actual abuses, not violations of YOUR preferences), what you find are originators of those abuses who really quit believing in the faith, but still liked some of the trappings and respectability of the church.

 

[Edward_H]

I don’t like that spiritual direction with women isn’t done face to face. I get the point why it’s done, but it’s very impersonal and I think it puts up a barrier to spiritual direction. Really, men should be able have more control over their concupiscent appetites than that.

Why do you conclude it’s just for the men? I think it’s for the RELATIONSHIP, that is for the benefit of both. The Church is wise…been doing this for many years…when face to face a chemistry can develop. Women who speak of matters of the heart to a man can become attached to the man…and a man can experience other effects.

A screen is used to channel communication to the intellect and the will, not to emotions.

 

[Faithdancer]

Why do you conclude it’s just for the men? I think it’s for the RELATIONSHIP, that is for the benefit of both. The Church is wise…been doing this for many years…when face to face a chemistry can develop. Women who speak of matters of the heart to a man can become attached to the man…and a man can experience other effects.

A screen is used to channel communication to the intellect and the will, not to emotions.

Amen, and a nice tie in with moral theology at the end as well.

 

[domandcarols]

TLM traditional Catholics are just as common in the Opus Dei - at least around here, it’s the traditional Catholics who endorse and support the Opus Dei’s mission.

I’m glad to hear that because I love EF mass & Opus Dei!