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Does Opus Dei celebrate TLM and are there any Catholics who are traditionalists in Opus Dei?
 
No TLM. They celebrate the Ordinary Form as reverently as is humanly possible. (There’s no sarcasm or irony in that statement - I’ve been to the Masses and am always suitably impressed with the reverence.)

I’m sure there are people who prefer the traditional things in Opus Dei as there might be in any large group of people, but there is no official endorsement of things traditional.

Opus Dei is fully supportive of Vatican II (what the Council Fathers actually said, not the bogus “spirit” of the Council), and was even said to anticipate it in its emphasis on the universal call to holiness.

Betsy
 
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Does Opus Dei celebrate TLM and are there any Catholics who are traditionalists in Opus Dei?
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I attend an Opus Dei Women’s Evening of Recollection and many of the women are very traditional. They are very good devout group of people and I am considering being apart of them. They have a devotion to St. Josemaria.
 
I’ve been to one Opus Dei mass. It was Ordinary Form but clebrated in Latin with the priest facing Ad Orientem.
 
Good. I had read somewhere that they were not friendly to the TLM nor Traditionalists.
 
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Does Opus Dei celebrate TLM and are there any Catholics who are traditionalists in Opus Dei?
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I found a big write up on this topic on the SSPX website. I gives lots of references so it seems pretty legit. The SSPX is suspicious of Opus Dei, especially since the founder’s canonization was so fast… not the usual investigations and such going on…

sspx.org/miscellaneous/opus_dei.htm

I know folks don’t like SSPX around here so much, but in answer to your question, this is why SSPX friendly traditionalists are concerned…

Ave Maria, hope this helps.
 
PapaBennySix said:
I found a big write up on this topic on the SSPX website. I gives lots of references so it seems pretty legit. The SSPX is suspicious of Opus Dei, especially since the founder’s canonization was so fast… not the usual investigations and such going on…

sspx.org/miscellaneous/opus_dei.htm

I know folks don’t like SSPX around here so much, but in answer to your question, this is why SSPX friendly traditionalists are concerned…

Ave Maria, hope this helps.
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And I would be suspicious of anything the SSPX says. They are on the outside (not matter how they try to spin it) looking in. They have no credence with me.
 
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You mean outside of the Church?
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Yep. They are not in communion with Rome. Their bishops are excommunicated. Their priests are suspended. Some of their sacraments are valid but illicit and some are invalid.
 
peregrinus_WA said:
Yep. They are not in communion with Rome. Their bishops are excommunicated. Their priests are suspended. Some of their sacraments are valid but illicit and some are invalid.
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Their sacraments aren’t invalid, just “illicit.” And Rome says that the SSPX situation is a problem “within” the Church. They never left, they still practice the Faith…nothing to be suspicious of.
 
latinmasslover said:
Their sacraments aren’t invalid, just “illicit.” And Rome says that the SSPX situation is a problem “within” the Church. They never left, they still practice the Faith…nothing to be suspicious of.
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This isn’t true. Some of their sacraments are invalid. Here’s a letter from the Ecclesia Dei Commission that touches on that.

latin-mass-society.org/laitysspx.htm
Concretely this means that the Masses offered by the priests of the Society of St. Pius X are valid, but illicit i.e, contrary to Canon Law. The Sacraments of Penance and Matrimony however, require that the priest enjoys the faculties of the diocese or has proper delegation. Since that is not the case with these priests, these sacraments are invalid. It remains true, however, that, if the faithful are genuinely ignorant that the priests of the Society of St. Pius X do not have the proper faculty to absolve, the Church supplied these faculties so that the sacrament was valid (cf. Code of Canon Law c.144).
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It all comes down to faculties and the SSPX doesn’t have them. The same rules would apply to any other priest, suspended or not. They must have faculties from the local ordinary to officiate at marriages and to hear confessions.
 
bear06 said:
This isn’t true. Some of their sacraments are invalid. Here’s a letter from the Ecclesia Dei Commission that touches on that.

latin-mass-society.org/laitysspx.htm

It all comes down to faculties and the SSPX doesn’t have them. The same rules would apply to any other priest, suspended or not. They must have faculties from the local ordinary to officiate at marriages and to hear confessions.
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In other words, it is valid (“legally” for some).
 
latinmasslover said:
In other words, it is valid (“legally” for some).
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I think you’re referring to this:
It remains true, however, that, if the faithful are genuinely ignorant that the priests of the Society of St. Pius X do not have the proper faculty to absolve, the Church supplied these faculties so that the sacrament was valid (cf. Code of Canon Law c.144).
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Just a couple of comments -
As you’ve said, it is valid for some - the genuinely ignorant (that wouldn’t be those who have knowledge that canon law calls for faculties to be given by the local ordinary and that the SSPX haven’t been given these faculties). That said, for far many more it’s not valid.

Also, it is important to note that the sacrament of marriage is a whole other issue. There Church does not mention suppying faculties for the ignorant.
 
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