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Hi,

My wife is thinking about becoming a cooperator in Opus Dei. I’d like to get more information from people who are involved with, or have been involved with Opus Dei (especially married people).

Did you like it? Why, or why not.

How has it affected your life?

God bless,
Ut
 
Good grief.

I just wrote a really lengthy response which has vanished into the cyber-ether! :banghead:

I’ll give the short answer for now, and hopefully other members and cooperators can chime in as well.

I’m a supernumerary of Opus Dei, and have been for about eleven years. I’m married for sixteen years. I owe the fact that I’m still a practicing Catholic to my contact in college with people in the Work who were willing to see past my cynicism and help me understand the beauty of the Faith. It has helped my marriage enormously, as my husband and I (he’s also in the Work) keep getting constant encouragement to sanctify our marriage and family life.

This isn’t meant in a pushy way at all, but perhaps you could check out one of the men’s activities in your area? Maybe an evening of recollection or book discussion or something? Nothing like first-hand experience…

Best regards,

Margaret
 
Did you like it? Why, or why not.

How has it affected your life?
I’ve enjoyed being a cooperator. It’s provided me spiritual support. My only complaint is that it is a long drive away! Its effect in my life has only been positive, an encouragement to a deeper spiritual life. From my very first contact (a priest of Opus Dei gave me a copy of The Way), I found that it spoke to me in just the tone I needed.

It doesn’t have to be a large time commitment. I get out of it what I put into it. Their priests are great confessors.
 
My experience with the OD was when I was still single with my first spiritual director, an OD priest.

From what I saw and from the people I met, I’d recommend OD highly to a couple.

:blessyou:
 
I am only familiar with Opus Dei in that my husband and I have come to love and embrace the writings of its founder, St. Josemaria Escriva. I have found them extremely useful in my daily life. I would consider joining the organization when I have a little more time.
 
Thank you all for your responses. I appreciate it.

My wife is finding tremendous support and encouragement in helping her raise our kids. It has been somewhat isolating for her staying at home with the two kids, and so, tapping into the network of Opus Dei mothers, super-numeraries, cooperators, as well as spiritual direction from the priest, has made very positive changes to her life.

I am also reading the Way, the Forge, and the Furrow. The emphasis on mortification, penance, and spiritual direction is a bit scary for me, although I am starting to appreciate its values to the extent that I am appreciating that holiness is a hard thing to acheive in this life, and it does not happen without great effort and even greater grace.

Perhaps, when I’ve done more reading, I’ll join up with a mens group recollection, or some other activity. For now, I’m still getting to know Escriva a little better. I still have a somewhat of a negative impression based on an overzealous recruiter in university who was unhappy with my level of commitment to his cause. He said I didn’t love God enough. 🙂

Thank you again,

God bless,
Ut
 
I still have a somewhat of a negative impression based on an overzealous recruiter in university who was unhappy with my level of commitment to his cause. He said I didn’t love God enough. 🙂
I’m truly sorry you had an experience like that. Oy vey.

One thing I have to remind myself of from time to time is that having a vocation to Opus Dei doesn’t magically remove one’s character defects and excesses. There are some people in this world who are just plain pushy. Sort of over-aggressive car salesmen. Some of those people still have a vocation to the Work. Hopefully, over time, with enough prayer and grace, that defect will be overcome.

I always have to be careful not to be too harsh in my judgement, though, given my own glaring defects. If the Work, for instance, didn’t take people who are still struggling against disorganization and laziness :whistle: then I certainly couldn’t be in it…

Margaret
 
I’m truly sorry you had an experience like that. Oy vey.
Thats OK. He was probably right, my being barely 19 years old at the time with a lot of muddled ideas from my very liberal education.
One thing I have to remind myself of from time to time is that having a vocation to Opus Dei doesn’t magically remove one’s character defects and excesses. There are some people in this world who are just plain pushy. Sort of over-aggressive car salesmen. Some of those people still have a vocation to the Work. Hopefully, over time, with enough prayer and grace, that defect will be overcome.
I think it is this pushiness that has me on edge. My wife has been part of the group for less than a month, and one of them has already asked her to become a cooperator. But she also has a much longer history with the group than I do, without the negative first impression that I had. She has a good relationship with the Opus Dei priest there, who has given her spiritual direction for well over ten years, on and off.

I guess I’m trying to get over my missgivings to support her in this organization that seems to be so helpful and supportive for her.
I always have to be careful not to be too harsh in my judgement, though, given my own glaring defects. If the Work, for instance, didn’t take people who are still struggling against disorganization and laziness :whistle: then I certainly couldn’t be in it…
Do they take people with a marked lack of trust? :eek:

Anyway, thanks for this. Your response has been helpful.

God bless,
Ut
 
I’m about halfway through the Way, and I must say I appreciate the emphasis on self discipline. I think Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians describes well the temptation that some Christians have towards laziness (this most definitely includes me). And his response was clear, those who do not work, should not eat. 🙂

I think Opus Dei also points out that we should not only work, but we should work well. And doing good work is not only good for our salvation, but it can help evangelize as well.

God bless,
Ut
 
OK. How should I take this passage?

The way 398-399
Don’t forget that there also exists a “holy forcefulness”. If, to save an earthly like, it is praiseworthy to use force to keep a man from committing suicide, are we not allowed to use the same coervion - “holy coercion” - in order to save the Lives (with a capital) of so many who are stupidly bent on killing their souls?
I have a knee jerk mental reaction presenting images of forced conversion, etc… How should I interpret this? I mean, Satan said, Non Serviam, and God said, “OK. Have it your way”. Shouldn’t others have that same right? Is freedom not a prerequisite to be able to love God in the first place? Especially freedom from coercion?

God bless,
Ut
 
You are wise to look at that point closely, Ut.

A little context is needed here. St. Josemaría was a passionate, passionate defender of people’s freedom. He was always very much opposed to trying to impose a point of view or opinion as the “one right Catholic” solution to a problem. I can’t remember the details now, but there was some kind of political issue that came up in Spain in the late 60s. Quite a few of the Spanish bishops were actually willing to speak from the pulpit, arguing that people ought to support such and such a policy. (I apologize for the lack of detail, I genuinely can’t remember now, but it was in Vol. 3 of the biography of St. Josemaría.)

Whatever the political issue was, it wasn’t one of those “clear cut” Catholic issues like gay marriage or abortion. It was much more a prudential judgment issue. Anyway, St. Josemaría would NOT play ball when he was asked to “use” Opus Dei channels to encourage support for whatever the policy was. And he always made it clear that one of the quickest ways to get shown the door out of the Work was to run around laying “Catholic Guilt” on people for not supporting your personal opinion about some issue where Catholics could legitimately hold a range of viewpoints.

Now, I realize the point you’re raising doesn’t speak to politics directly, but I wanted you to have that background first. Living through the bitter partisanship leading up to, and the brutal chaos of the Spanish Civil War gave St. Josemaría a very firsthand, deep-rooted appreciation for freedom. So bear that in mind when looking at points like this.

Obviously, no one can compel another to change their heart or mind. It’s impossible. The most one can do is attempt to persuade, with charity and truth. I think that what these points are referring to are the temptation to give in to cowardice, human respect, laziness, and the like, when it comes to confronting people with the truth. It’s so much easier to give up and give in, when you initially attempt to show someone the truth, and they respond with some kind of sophistry about “what’s true for you isn’t necessarily true for me.” At least, I know that’s something I continue to struggle with to this day.

Taking the points you cited in context with one just before it, point 395 from The Way,
Listen to a man of God, an old campaigner, as he argues: 'So I won’t yield an inch? And why should I, if I am convinced of the truth of my ideals? You, on the other hand, are very ready to compromise… **Would you agree that two and two are three and a half? You wouldn’t? Surely for friendship’s sake you will yield in such a little thing? **
And why won’t you? Simply because, for the first time, you feel convinced that you possess the truth, and you have come over to my way of thinking!

So while St. Josemaría would be the last man to suggest that one should literally coerce, or in some way manipulate a person, to get them to agreement, I think he’s plainly a believer in holy intransigence, even the “holy shamelessness” he speaks of earlier in the chapter.

Taking them as a whole, I don’t suddenly want to run out and forcibly baptize the heathens but frankly, I do want to take another look at my dealings with my friends and acquaintances. I want to make sure that I haven’t compromised the truth, and that on some level I haven’t given up on the idea that yes, they too, practicing Hindu, active cohabiter, fallen away Catholic, abortion-rights advocate, whatever they may be, are still called to the radical holiness preached by Jesus Christ.

There is a line to be walked between being so aggressive that you rupture a relationship permanentaly and can no longer have any positive effect, and compromising the truth. The point you cited from the Way to be just serves as an antidote to that really strong temptation to “respect people’s freedom” so much that I never actually say what needs to be said.

Does that make any sense?

Margaret

PS I’ll try my best to stay involved in this conversation, but I kind of promised myself that I was going to get some seriously cleaning done on my disaster of a house this week. Bear with me if it takes me a day or two to respond to things.
 
There is a line to be walked between being so aggressive that you rupture a relationship permanentaly and can no longer have any positive effect, and compromising the truth. The point you cited from the Way to be just serves as an antidote to that really strong temptation to “respect people’s freedom” so much that I never actually say what needs to be said.
Does that make any sense?
This post makes a lot of sense. Thank you Margaret. 🙂

Sometimes we sugarcoat the truth to such an extent that it no longer has any impact whatsoever. Would it not be, sometimes, better to deliver the truth with stark forcefulness? Perhaps it is, if the friendship can be preserved.

This is something I appreciate in St Escriva. He doesn’t beat around the bush. Better to get into heaven with a bruised ego, then to burn in hell with a false sense of pride.

God bless,
Ut
 
I know only a little bit about Opus Dei. What is a cooperator? What is a Supernumerary?
 
I know only a little bit about Opus Dei. What is a cooperator? What is a Supernumerary?
A cooperator is someone who assists the Work in their educational and social works through their prayer, work or donations, Cooperators do not have to be Catholic: Orthodox Christians, Protestants or members of other Christian churches can be cooperators, as can Jews, Muslims, or followers of other religions, or even people with no religion. A person who is a cooperator does not become a member of Opus Dei by becoming a Cooperator.

Supernumeraries are the married members of Opus Dei, both men and women, who try to give witness to the Faith by word and example among their friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers. Like all other members, they attempt to spread Opus Dei’s message that ordinary life should lead to holiness. Because of their family and professional commitments, supernumerary members ordinarily are not repsonsible for directing Opus Dei activities or giving formation in the spirit of Opus Dei to others in a formal, organized fashion.

Hope that helps!
 
One point of clarification: not all supernumeraries are married, but they are free to marry if they meet the right person.

The godmother to my youngest child is a single supernumerary, so I feel a certain sense of obligation to help set her up with “Mr. Right,” wherever the heck he’s been hiding these past several years. 😃

Margaret (now back to mopping!)
 
Hi,

My wife is thinking about becoming a cooperator in Opus Dei. I’d like to get more information from people who are involved with, or have been involved with Opus Dei (especially married people).

Did you like it? Why, or why not.

How has it affected your life?

God bless,
Ut
My only concern is OD’s requirement of a special commitment to the Pope. As a Catholic, I’m already obedient to him. I don’t understand the need for a special commitment to him.
 
My only concern is OD’s requirement of a special commitment to the Pope. As a Catholic, I’m already obedient to him. I don’t understand the need for a special commitment to him.
IIts interesting that you should said this, because I’ve just gotten to the chapter on obedience in the way.

For example, in the Way, chapter 617 it says
Obey, as an instrument obeys in the hands of the artist-not stopping to consider teh way and the wherefore of what it is doing. Be sure that you’ll never be directed to do anything that isn’t good and for the greater glory of God.
Followed by 620
If obedience doesn’t give you peace, it’s because you’re proud.
My problem with this is that I will not give my obedience to a person or to an institution before I learn to trust that person or institution. For example, in grade 6, many decades ago, the priest who gave me my first confession was a pedofile. If he demanded this same kind of obedience to me then, he could have done all kind of evil things to me. I mean people are free. Even the pope is free, and should not be trusted blindly.

Uggghhhh. Another rant. Sorry about this.

God bless,
Ut
 
My only concern is OD’s requirement of a special commitment to the Pope. As a Catholic, I’m already obedient to him. I don’t understand the need for a special commitment to him.
I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I’m on the same page as you-- I’m Catholic therefore already obedient to the Pope and church teachings. Can you clarify what “special commitment” you think we make?

Margaret
 
IIts interesting that you should said this, because I’ve just gotten to the chapter on obedience in the way.

For example, in the Way, chapter 617 it says

Followed by 620

My problem with this is that I will not give my obedience to a person or to an institution before I learn to trust that person or institution. For example, in grade 6, many decades ago, the priest who gave me my first confession was a pedofile. If he demanded this same kind of obedience to me then, he could have done all kind of evil things to me. I mean people are free. Even the pope is free, and should not be trusted blindly.

Uggghhhh. Another rant. Sorry about this.

God bless,
Ut
Something came to me. I just realized that Opus Dei is an attempt to bring monasticism, and its social dynamics, into the every day life of secular society, including such things as obedience, mortifications, adherence to a hierarchicy.

God bless,
Ut
 
I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I’m on the same page as you-- I’m Catholic therefore already obedient to the Pope and church teachings. Can you clarify what “special commitment” you think we make?

Margaret
I second this. Can you clarify please? Every member of Opus Dei that I know has a deep and passionate sense of loyalty the Church’s magisterium in general and the Pope in particular, but … there is no special or formal commitment that differs from what is already expected of every other Catholic. We are all supposed to be obedient to the teachings of the Church’s magisterium and loyal to the Holy Father.

If you are suggesting that there’s some kind of “vow” that they take, or some other kind of formal, ceremonial declaration to this effect, then you are mistaken. They do not.
 
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