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Opus Dei exists for formation principally; personal, individual formation. It’s not for carrying the torch for traditionalism or liberalism or for reform or anything, other than being totally available oto help people with their formation and interior life…their pursuit of holiness and apostolate.
After spending time with Opus Dei, one certainly can come away with the impression, and I certainly did, that they aren’t really interested in helping people become better Catholics, but formed to be Opus Dei members. I am being intentionally vague, but read between the lines.

Speaking of being vague, ever try to ask Opus Dei priests or numeraries questions about Opus Dei? Ever get a straight answer? I mean anything really and I mean moving beyond the typical answer of the call to personal sanctity through everyday works. I have had 2 finally shout at me, “WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW?!!!”

Ever meet people who hang out with all Opus Dei people, go to evenings of recollection every week, speak about Josemaria constantly, carry “The Way” or “In Conversation With God” and other books around with them constantly and swear they are not Opus Dei, but do everything in their power to get you to become Opus Dei?

I really need to write a book on my dealings with these people. I’ve said too much…moving on.
 
After spending time with Opus Dei, one certainly can come away with the impression, and I certainly did, that they aren’t really interested in helping people become better Catholics, but formed to be Opus Dei members.
Actually, this is neither bad nor unusual in the Catholic Church. There are religious orders, associations of the faithful and institutes that exist for thier growth and the growth of their members. They function on a very simple principle, which is a dogma, the Communion of Saints. When one member becomes a saint, all benefit.

One can look at the Carthusians and say that they are not particularly interested in the rest of the Church. If one were to talk to them about things like COTT or EF vs OF, most would not know what the issue is and most would not be interested in the subject. It’s a moot issue to them. They sanctify the Church by becoming holy themselves. To them, these are questions and issues that are not very important. They have their system of doing things and the important thing is for them to do it their way.

If one reads the Rule of St. Francis and his Testament, one can walk away with the same mistaken impression. Francis focuses on three things and none of them have to do with helping people become better Catholics, at least not on the surface. His three passions are: poverty, obedience to him, and brotherhood toward the other members of the community. The only mention of ministry in his rule is to say that no one should preach in a diocese where the bishop does not allow it. He gives no instructions on what ministry we should do. He never mentions the rest of the Catholic Church, except when he speaks about obedience. The he mentions how he has exercised blind obedience to the pope and bishops; therefore, his sons are to do the same with him and his successors.

His focus is on poverty. He never really speaks about serving the poor. He speaks about living with the poor and working like the poor.

He does not mention the laity at all. He speaks about the brothers and the importance of the brothers loving each other in all things. He goes into great lengths to equalize the brothers, because clericalism was very strong in those days. He wants to make sure that we don’t fall into the pit of priests and lay brothers, but all are brothers, some ordained and some are not, but equally brothers, no lay brothers. Though this was tried later on and today it’s been banned. We’re back to all brothers, clerical and non-clerical. But that’s over and one with.

It’s when we read his biography that we see him in the service of the Church, not in his writings or in his final will for his brothers. His letters to the faithful focus on penance and conversion. That’s where we see him take an active interest in things beyond poverty, obedience, and brotherhood. His letters to the rulers of the world speak about social justice, something that many people believe is a Vatican II idea. Surprise, it’s as old as the Church. Francis goes on to bash civil authorities for their injustice toward their citizens. He takes it a step further by writing a rule for secular men and women that he gets the pope to seal to ensure that the laity follow his way of life in their homes and in their communities. In this letter he goes into details about how to live the Christian life and he binds the followers of that rule in matters regarding politics and economics, under pain of sin. Here is born the Secular Franciscan Order.

My point is that on the surface, an organization may look disconnected and self-absorbed, but in fact, it’s approach is simply very different. I believe this is the case with the Opus Dei. I’m not Opus Dei. I have read the works of St. Jose Maria Escriva and the focus is the sanctification of the world through the sanctification of the ordinary work of everyday life. There is no mission to go out and conquer the world for Christ. The mission is to sanctify the ordinary and the world will be sanctified in Christ and by Christ.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Actually, this is neither bad nor unusual in the Catholic Church. There are religious orders, associations of the faithful and institutes that exist for thier growth and the growth of their members. They function on a very simple principle, which is a dogma, the Communion of Saints. When one member becomes a saint, all benefit.

One can look at the Carthusians and say that they are not particularly interested in the rest of the Church. If one were to talk to them about things like COTT or EF vs OF, most would not know what the issue is and most would not be interested in the subject. It’s a moot issue to them. They sanctify the Church by becoming holy themselves. To them, these are questions and issues that are not very important. They have their system of doing things and the important thing is for them to do it their way.

If one reads the Rule of St. Francis and his Testament, one can walk away with the same mistaken impression. Francis focuses on three things and none of them have to do with helping people become better Catholics, at least not on the surface. His three passions are: poverty, obedience to him, and brotherhood toward the other members of the community. The only mention of ministry in his rule is to say that no one should preach in a diocese where the bishop does not allow it. He gives no instructions on what ministry we should do. He never mentions the rest of the Catholic Church, except when he speaks about obedience. The he mentions how he has exercised blind obedience to the pope and bishops; therefore, his sons are to do the same with him and his successors.

His focus is on poverty. He never really speaks about serving the poor. He speaks about living with the poor and working like the poor.

He does not mention the laity at all. He speaks about the brothers and the importance of the brothers loving each other in all things. He goes into great lengths to equalize the brothers, because clericalism was very strong in those days. He wants to make sure that we don’t fall into the pit of priests and lay brothers, but all are brothers, some ordained and some are not, but equally brothers, no lay brothers. Though this was tried later on and today it’s been banned. We’re back to all brothers, clerical and non-clerical. But that’s over and one with.

It’s when we read his biography that we see him in the service of the Church, not in his writings or in his final will for his brothers. His letters to the faithful focus on penance and conversion. That’s where we see him take an active interest in things beyond poverty, obedience, and brotherhood. His letters to the rulers of the world speak about social justice, something that many people believe is a Vatican II idea. Surprise, it’s as old as the Church. Francis goes on to bash civil authorities for their injustice toward their citizens. He takes it a step further by writing a rule for secular men and women that he gets the pope to seal to ensure that the laity follow his way of life in their homes and in their communities. In this letter he goes into details about how to live the Christian life and he binds the followers of that rule in matters regarding politics and economics, under pain of sin. Here is born the Secular Franciscan Order.

My point is that on the surface, an organization may look disconnected and self-absorbed, but in fact, it’s approach is simply very different. I believe this is the case with the Opus Dei. I’m not Opus Dei. I have read the works of St. Jose Maria Escriva and the focus is the sanctification of the world through the sanctification of the ordinary work of everyday life. There is no mission to go out and conquer the world for Christ. The mission is to sanctify the ordinary and the world will be sanctified in Christ and by Christ.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
While that may be true to some extent, I have never experienced anything like what I have experienced with Opus Dei in dealing with any other religious order or community that I have dealt with and that includes the Legionaries and Regnum Christi.

I really don’t feel like recounting all my experiences with them, nor do I think it is appropriate to do so on this forum. I initially thought that I just had a few odd experiences over the course of 4 years with a number of different members at varying levels, that was, until I read many stories by former members (still faithful Catholics) that confirm these things happen over and over and appear to be coercive tactics employed regularly by this group. I cannot criticize their spiritual apostolate as it has been approved by the Church (then again that was the Legionaries excuse for many years), however I do have a problem with their tactics and that is what ultimately concerns me about the group, as it begs other questions.
 
As an institution, OD does not currently permit the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Liturgy to be offered in/on any of its properties.

Opus Dei is to the traditions of the Catholic Church what John McCain is to American conservative movement. Californians, think Meg Whitman.
And so you’ve proved rather astutely that placing the word “expert” in a URL, doesn’t ensure the person answering the question is (1) an expert, or (2) rendering a correct opinion.

Judge for yourself.

Pax,
OA
 
Opus Dei priests know how to do a Holy Mass, and they are open minded wonderful people.

I know. I have seen an Opus Dei priest celebrate the Holy Mass. I will never forget it, it was the most beautiful Mass I have ever seen in person.

They also serve the catholic faithful by providing them opportunities to go to confession more often in the area I live in. I think that is very kind of them to provide that for the catholic believer.
 
I have downloaded “The Way”, followed the process of the canonization of St. Jose Maria Escriva, inquired about Opus Dei retreats, seminars in my area (there currently are none closer than an 8 hrs drive). Striving for personal holiness in our daily lives is what has attracted me to learn more. Frankly, I see no conspiracy theories, here. Sorry, Jerry!😃
 
Actually, this is neither bad nor unusual in the Catholic Church. There are religious orders, associations of the faithful and institutes that exist for thier growth and the growth of their members. They function on a very simple principle, which is a dogma, the Communion of Saints. When one member becomes a saint, all benefit.

One can look at the Carthusians and say that they are not particularly interested in the rest of the Church. If one were to talk to them about things like COTT or EF vs OF, most would not know what the issue is and most would not be interested in the subject. It’s a moot issue to them. They sanctify the Church by becoming holy themselves. To them, these are questions and issues that are not very important. They have their system of doing things and the important thing is for them to do it their way.

If one reads the Rule of St. Francis and his Testament, one can walk away with the same mistaken impression. Francis focuses on three things and none of them have to do with helping people become better Catholics, at least not on the surface. His three passions are: poverty, obedience to him, and brotherhood toward the other members of the community. The only mention of ministry in his rule is to say that no one should preach in a diocese where the bishop does not allow it. He gives no instructions on what ministry we should do. He never mentions the rest of the Catholic Church, except when he speaks about obedience. The he mentions how he has exercised blind obedience to the pope and bishops; therefore, his sons are to do the same with him and his successors.

His focus is on poverty. He never really speaks about serving the poor. He speaks about living with the poor and working like the poor.

He does not mention the laity at all. He speaks about the brothers and the importance of the brothers loving each other in all things. He goes into great lengths to equalize the brothers, because clericalism was very strong in those days. He wants to make sure that we don’t fall into the pit of priests and lay brothers, but all are brothers, some ordained and some are not, but equally brothers, no lay brothers. Though this was tried later on and today it’s been banned. We’re back to all brothers, clerical and non-clerical. But that’s over and one with.

It’s when we read his biography that we see him in the service of the Church, not in his writings or in his final will for his brothers. His letters to the faithful focus on penance and conversion. That’s where we see him take an active interest in things beyond poverty, obedience, and brotherhood. His letters to the rulers of the world speak about social justice, something that many people believe is a Vatican II idea. Surprise, it’s as old as the Church. Francis goes on to bash civil authorities for their injustice toward their citizens. He takes it a step further by writing a rule for secular men and women that he gets the pope to seal to ensure that the laity follow his way of life in their homes and in their communities. In this letter he goes into details about how to live the Christian life and he binds the followers of that rule in matters regarding politics and economics, under pain of sin. Here is born the Secular Franciscan Order.

My point is that on the surface, an organization may look disconnected and self-absorbed, but in fact, it’s approach is simply very different. I believe this is the case with the Opus Dei. I’m not Opus Dei. I have read the works of St. Jose Maria Escriva and the focus is the sanctification of the world through the sanctification of the ordinary work of everyday life. There is no mission to go out and conquer the world for Christ. The mission is to sanctify the ordinary and the world will be sanctified in Christ and by Christ.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Wow Brother JR thanks for the clarification. Answered in all charity for a cause you are not directly involved in. I must say i find your answer very edifying. Thank you
 
Opus Dei priests know how to do a Holy Mass, and they are open minded wonderful people.

I know. I have seen an Opus Dei priest celebrate the Holy Mass. I will never forget it, it was the most beautiful Mass I have ever seen in person.

They also serve the catholic faithful by providing them opportunities to go to confession more often in the area I live in. I think that is very kind of them to provide that for the catholic believer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleight_of_hand
 
Opus Dei’s work, in the end, is futile because they refuse to see the problems in the NO Mass and the “New Theology”. They embrace both wholeheartedly out of fierce “obedience” yet they couple it with very strict mortifications and Traditional acts of piety. Their priest wear cassocks etc. In the end they are a living contradiction. The Traditional piety attracts conservative Novus Ordinarians, but the theology and Mass keeps them from being truly fed.

Then add the very odd notion of having a lifelong “vocation” to be a layman, giving all of your salary to OD and living in a house with others who do the same. I must admit the financial plan of OD was genius, whether is was diabolical or not is another question. They are always loaded with $ this way, plus they always have a large stable of professional celibate men who they can tap to get ordained when they need priests. It is a perfect situation for them.

Then their cooperators, who can be anyone, even non-Christian, can attend OD functions as long as they donate $.

They have many enterprises out there that are discreetly named. But it seems that they are more motivated in recruiting for Opus Dei than recruiting people to the faith. They seem to be about self-perpetuation. I’ve read their schools look to groom youngsters to become celibate lay numeraries. $$$

Of course they preach work, work, work. The more their numeraries work, the more $ they get. “Sanctify your work” is not an Opus Dei idea, though they will claim it. But I’m skeptical as to their intentions with this. They are all about work, their centers are very posh, I have read they tell their married members to treat OD like another child as far as expenses go.

Their priests are orthodox when it comes to morality. In theology they are by the book VCII. And they say the N.O. Mass “reverently”. They seem to basically be selling faithful Catholics who are fed up with their lib parishes a conservative “product”. They then subvert vocations to the religious life by selling the idea you can have a “vocation” (you are holy and special and part of an “order”) yet you can keep your job and still be secular. The best of both worlds!

The whole thing seems like a big pyramid scheme to me. Their writings only seem to be helpful to some degree when speaking on general virtues and morality. When it comes to theology and the crisis in the Church their writings are completely uninspiring. Their theology is straight out of VCII (with a conservative spin) and their solution to the crisis is to sanctify ourselves and do more penance. They only see the crisis as a general crisis of Faith in society. They see absolutely no connection between the crisis and the Mass and the Council. They can’t even if they wanted to. Because if they did, they would lose their legal status and thus lose their very large recruiting pool.

My experience has been their members are hopelessly naive when it comes to any problems or negativity. They preach “holy cheerfulness” which often means an almost forced optimism that admits of absolutely no criticism or negativity about the Church. Everything is perpetually hunky dory and if it is not it is because they aren’t doing enough penance.

It is a great contrast to Traditional groups who are a lot more straightforward and “get it” having sacrificed a lot monetarily and otherwise to follow the Truth where it lead them and not cash in on the crisis by manufacturing a conservative NO product within the VCII structure to lure in the disillusioned.
 
Religion: agnostic w/ catholic leanings

Opus Dei priests know how to do a Holy Mass, and they are open minded wonderful people.

I know. I have seen an Opus Dei priest celebrate the Holy Mass. I will never forget it, it was the most beautiful Mass I have ever seen in person.

They also serve the catholic faithful by providing them opportunities to go to confession more often in the area I live in. I think that is very kind of them to provide that for the catholic believer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleight_of_hand
 
After spending time with Opus Dei, one certainly can come away with the impression, and I certainly did, that they aren’t really interested in helping people become better Catholics, but formed to be Opus Dei members. I am being intentionally vague, but read between the lines.

Speaking of being vague, ever try to ask Opus Dei priests or numeraries questions about Opus Dei? Ever get a straight answer? I mean anything really and I mean moving beyond the typical answer of the call to personal sanctity through everyday works. I have had 2 finally shout at me, “WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW?!!!”

Ever meet people who hang out with all Opus Dei people, go to evenings of recollection every week, speak about Josemaria constantly, carry “The Way” or “In Conversation With God” and other books around with them constantly and swear they are not Opus Dei, but do everything in their power to get you to become Opus Dei?

I really need to write a book on my dealings with these people. I’ve said too much…moving on.
I’m sorry that you developed this impression about Opus Dei. The people of the Work provide formation to everyone, not necessarily people who can become members. I was never forced to become a member of Opus Dei, yet here I am an associate of Opus Dei striving to be faithful to my calling.
FYI, I know of two people who wanted to become numeraries of Opus Dei. Both of them were good students at the university. One was told that she did not have a vocation to the Work, and is happy being one of our cooperators, still attending the various means of formation. The other was told that she did not have the requisite cimcumstances to become a numerary, and she joined as a supernumerary. You can read my own vocation story in my blog. As they say, you have to knock several times to join the Work, but they leave the door ajar for you to leave, and I do know of several people who left. Some of them still attend the means of formation such as recollections and classes on the Catholic faith, so I guess there were no hard feelings when they decided it was not for them afterall…
 
I’m hoping to gain some clarification on a couple of issues regarding Opus Dei. I can’t recall the website where I read this, but I read that Josemaria Escriva believed that God made us (humans) for work. But my understanding of Church teaching (and maybe this is wrong) is that it was only as a result of The Fall that humans were made to work hard for their lot in life. Before The Fall, Adam and Eve were provided everyhting in The Garden of Eden. Even if they did ‘till’ the garden, they were still taken care of there.

Also, with the emphasis on work, which was of primary importance to Josemaria Escriva, it’s a bit disconcerting that some of the original members of Opus Dei in Spain were also members of the Communist Party. The Communist motto, or at least one one them, is that ‘work will set you free.’ Of course Josemaria Escriva was not a Communist, but perhaps his teachings can be misconstrued by those of a Marxist mindset.

:confused:
 
You are right in that there is a strange glorification and over-emphasis on work in OD circles as if it were man’s primary meaning in life. Man was given to till the garden before Original Sin but this work was easily done and enjoyed. After the Fall work would entail much effort and be burdensome. This was a divine punishment, instead OD sees it as some sort of blessing. OD sees work itself as “prayer” in contrast to St. Benedict who separated “work” and “prayer” in his rule. It is true we can offer up our work as the penance that it is, but this idea is in no way new as OD seems to claim. The idea that the Church was hoarding sanctity to clergyman only before OD & VCII is ridiculous.

It is also, at the least, cause for suspicion, that the same OD that preaches copious amounts of secular work and gaining prestige, has any number of professional lay male & female celibate numeraries contracted to give over their entire salaries over to OD. It sounds like a perfect plan. Emphasize work and secular vocations as the primary paths to holiness and then sit back and watch the $ flow as the numeraries (the word numerary comes from a monetary term) pay for your endeavors.
 
I’m hoping to gain some clarification on a couple of issues regarding Opus Dei. I can’t recall the website where I read this, but I read that Josemaria Escriva believed that God made us (humans) for work. But my understanding of Church teaching (and maybe this is wrong) is that it was only as a result of The Fall that humans were made to work hard for their lot in life. Before The Fall, Adam and Eve were provided everyhting in The Garden of Eden. Even if they did ‘till’ the garden, they were still taken care of there.
Before the Fall, work was made to be fulfilling and satisfying and a source of joy. It was only after man fell into sin that work became drudgery, childbirth became painful and sorrow and illness entered the world.

In your own life, I’m sure you can see shadows of this original way of being regarding work. Imagine if all there was to do was to sit on the couch and eat bonbons. Would you not get bored and desperate to do something, anything productive?

Betsy
 
One must be careful to pay special attention to St. Jose Maria’s statement. He’s speaking about The Work. God made man in his image and likeness. Therefore, he made man to be co-creator with him. If we read the story of creation very carefully there are two references to work, one before the fall and the other after the fall. A careful analysis of the creation story informs us that the ancient Hebrew writers made a fine distinction between Adam’s roles in creation before his fall. God commands him to care for the earth and all its creatures. He gives him authority over the entire world around him. This comes through very clearly when the writer points out that it is Adam, not God, who names all of the beasts and other creatures. Adam participates in God’s work.

In Hebrew culture the naming of something gives one authority and responsibility. This tradition carried over into Christianity. Before we had registries and birth certificates, children were named in liturgical rituals, both in the Jewish and Christian tradition. Christians did it at Baptism. In the Rite of Baptism, the deacon or priest still asks what name we have chosen for the child. The reason that the naming is inserted into the ritual is a carry-over from the ancient Hebrew customs of naming children in ritual services.

If we examine why naming is ritualized, we find that the act of naming brought with it a commitment to care for that which we name. This is work. The same concept is introduced in Genesis when Adam is called upon to name the creatures that God has placed in the garden. Adam is not placed in the garden to sit and watch as a passive observer. He is the caretaker of God’s garden. He is created to work and enjoy.

The second reference to work, after the fall, God does not take away the original role of man in the daily work that is shared between him and man. However, because of man’s transgression, he will experience the tribulations that are the natural result of his work, from which he was protected while he was in a state of grace.

Work remains part of God’s plan for man. St. Benedict does not separate work from prayer. This has never been what was handed down to us who are monastic religious. Benedict and Basil, the Fathers of Monasticism, linked work with prayer. The one could not exist without the other. We were created to work and pray. St. Jose Maria Escriva takes this out of the monastery and into the secular world.

This is not a new concept. Prior to him, Francis of Assisi did the same thing. In fact, Francis was the first person to teach that the life of work is so sacred, that it is intimately connected to the poverty of Christ on the cross. He pays very special attention to Christ’s words, “It is finished.” Christ has worked and has sanctified work with his blood. Franciscan mysticism looks at Christ’s work and sees two things. Christ does the Father’s work and he does it in poverty. The only satisfaction that he gets from his work is doing the will of the one who sent him.

Francis teaches his brothers that they must own nothing, but they must work to each and everything that is left over once they have eaten must be shared with the community. He also teaches that no one should ask for more in return for their work, than what they need in order to eat. No one should take any more satisfaction from his work than doing the will of the Father.

In actuality, Marxism steals from both ancient monastic and medieval mendicant spirituality. What Marx does is take God out of the equation. That’s why his program falls apart. The practice of working for what one eats and distributing the surplus to the community is not Marxist. It’s apostolic. We find it in the Acts of the Apostles. When secular movements, such as Marxism attempt to take God out of the equation of what are evangelical movements, they destabilize the program, because they are tampering with the Plan of Salvation.

Acts tell us that the people put everything that they had at the feet of the Apostles and that no one owned anything of their own. Everything was shared in common for the common good. However, the early Christians in the Acts of the Apostles are not doing anything novel either. Let us not forget that they were Jews. They were simply bringing into Christianity a practice that was already in existence among devout Jews. Remember how Joseph and Mary had to bring a gift to the temple when they went for the purification rite. Jews were expected to share their surplus with the poor. The early Christians were perfecting what was already part of the deposit of faith. It is being perfected, because the self-giving, the sanctification of human labor, and the building up of the common brotherhood is done in Christ’s name as an act of love for Christ and in imitation of Christ who exists in a transcendent Trinitarian community and a temporal apostolic community. The Son of God is always at work. John points this out in the Prologue to his Gospel. “All was created through him.” Jesus reminds us that the Father is always at work. Work itself cannot be a result of sin, because God has never sinned and yet he is always at work.

Benedict and Basil structured this practice in monasticism. Francis of Assisi felt that monasticism tended to hide this dimension of life and decided that his brothers would live the same way, without the monastery walls, for all to see and learn from the brothers. St. Jose Maria Escriva, who was an astute student of Franciscan spirituality, realizes that the secular man and woman arrived at a mistaken belief that the sanctification of work, stewardship and common sharing is for the monk and the friar. He tries to bring it out into the secular sphere. He reminds all of us that The Work that God entrusts to Adam in creation is for everyone. We must all sanctify work by working as saints work.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Brother,

I’m not sure Opus Dei would agree with your opinion that their spirituality is consistent with religious orders of the past.

The following remarkable words are from Dominique Le Tourneau, a member of Opus Dei, in his book “L’Opus Dei”, Presses Universitaires de France, collection “Que sais-je?” No. 2207, 3rd edition, 1991,
In the lives of the early Christians, work was not seen as something “good in itself” and, above all, was considered an ascetic means for combating pride…Among the Fathers of the Church, St. John Chrysostom, who paid great attention to work, was the last prominent Churchman to speak of the sanctification of the ordinary life in the same terms as Vatican II. After him, one gets the impression that the ordinary Christian is not called to fully live the Gospel. This prevailed up to the fifth century; regarding apostolate, it does not seem to have been part of the Christian’s obligations. In the Rule of St. Benedict, it is more the monastery than the monk who carries out apostolate.(!)…
The appearance of the mendicant orders brought with it an emphasis on preaching, with preacher-monks traveling from city to city. This did not imply any affirmation of the value of professional work. On the contrary, above all, it seems to have increased the distance from it …The theologians of the mendicant orders did not reflect much upon the fundamental dimension of work; they affirmed the non-obligatory character of manual work. St. Thomas presents the secular occupations as an obstacle to contemplation. St. Bonaventure and others express a similar opinion.
Some other institutions more directly present in the world (military orders and medieval guilds) furnished scant ascetic and doctrinal preparation favorable to an awareness of the need to sanctify work.
Over the course of subsequent centuries, attention was deflected from work. The author of The Imitation of Jesus Christ judged work even more negatively than had the Desert Fathers. But the polarity that they erected between work and pride underwent a basic distortion in that work was seen as a constraint upon the effort implied in the ascetic struggle. This is the conception of Cisneros in his Exercitatorio and of St. Ignatius Loyola in his Spiritual Exercises.
 
Brother,

I’m not sure Opus Dei would agree with your opinion that their spirituality is consistent with religious orders of the past.

The following remarkable words are from Dominique Le Tourneau, a member of Opus Dei, in his book “L’Opus Dei”, Presses Universitaires de France, collection “Que sais-je?” No. 2207, 3rd edition, 1991,
I’ve never read Le Tourneau’s work. But just the little bit that he has here on Bonaventure leads me to suspect that he does not understand the vision of work held by the mendicants. Bonaventure was very faithful to the mind of Francis. He himself was a man who worked a great deal, combining manual labor and academic activity. He often held several jobs at one time. In fact, when he was elevated to the cardinalate, he was the Superior General of the Order, the kitchen help at the local house where he was stationed, a professor of theology at the University of Paris, and now a cardinal. Among the Franciscans, manual labor has always been an important part of the life of holiness. We’re not alone in this.

What Francis wrote in his rule and Bonaventure expands in his writings is the primacy of contemplation over activity. This remains true even to this day. I don’t find an contradiction to this in the writings of St. Jose Maria. It’s the Martha and Mary thing coming up here.

There was a tendency, and still is, to place doing over being. Early monasticism and the later mendicant movement tried to rectify this. This is what Bonaventure tries to drive home. He is not taking away from the sanctity of work. He is defending the importance of prayer, silence and recollection. To do this, you must stop what you’re doing and make time for it. This is not a denial of the holiness of work or a denial that work should be sanctified. In fact, you will never find a saint who did not work hard. Many of them became very ill, because they worked hard and ate poorly. They struck a balance between the Martha and Mary in all of us. St. Jose Maria does not contradict this. His writings are full of exhortations to stop and pray. He also refers to work at part of the ascetical life, a means to holiness, and part of the human vocation.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
How does a Catholic deal with this…
*Rabbi Angel Kreiman:
“Many of Josemaria Escriva’s concepts call to mind the Talmudic tradition and reveal his profound knowledge of the Jewish world.”
Rabbi Angel Kreiman contended that Josemaria Escriva’s teachings are strongly rooted in Talmudic traditions about work. Kreiman, who is the international vice president of the World Council of Synagogues, made his remarks in an address to a congress in Rome on Opus Dei’s founder. The rabbi said that he was pleased about the interreligious prayer meeting for peace occurring January 24 in Assisi. Such meetings, he said,
“help us to remember often that we all have the same common father.”
The Rabbi, who is a Cooperator of Opus Dei, said he wanted to demonstrate his special affection for the organization founded by Josemaria Escriva.
“Opus Dei members helped me, right from the beginning of my seminary studies, to persevere in my vocation,” he [Kreiman] said, “and I have also seen them do it with other rabbis, for which I am deeply grateful.”
 
How does a Catholic deal with this…
I don’t understand what is to be dealt with, yet. Help me.

We have a Jewish origin. Many aspects of our worship and culture owe to our Jewish origin and its traditions. My mother years and years ago told me “If you want to fully understand your Catholic faith, you need to understand the Jewish Faith and their culture”.

God can use even our need to “work” to help us love Him and others. In fact, we’re called to sanctify our work (all our heart, mind, soul, strength, praying always, rejoicing always). We can use work to develop our virtues, lessen our selfishness and faults. We can use our work to bring others to Christ.

Work involves “exchange.” So each and every point of exchange is a potential for the Holy Spirit to work as well. Work also involves “conversion” (converting ideas, effort, attention into products or services). We can also use work to convert the natural into the supernatural, with God’s grace. An accurate, useful financial analysis can become an offering for the souls in purgatory, in China. Conversion of a different sort. A well run meeting can be seen as our cooperation with God’s will for us. An opportunity to live charity, diligence, fortitude, spirit of giving, generous effort. etc.

I like these comments by the Rabbi.
 
For one, the Talmud consists of anti-Catholic Jewish writings written after the time of Our Lord once Judaism became a false religion, not recognizing Jesus Christ. A view of work rooted in these writings, seems to raise red flags at the least.

Secondly, how can a Catholic organization justify encouraging people to pursue “vocations” in a false religion that denies Christ?
 
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