Opus Dei

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Lurch104:
I am not a member of Opus Dei, but I have done some reading about thme (beyond the DiVinci Code). I would reccomend the following book highly, it is very comprehensive and balanced.

Opus Dei : An Objective Look Behind the Myths and Reality of the Most Controversial Force in the Catholic Church (Hardcover)
by John L. Allen
Quite frankly I wouldn’t waste my time reading this book…I suggest that you go to this site and read what St. Josemaria has to say…I think you’ll find that he explains all you need to know in his writings.😉
escrivaworks.org/
 
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Annunciata:
Quite frankly I wouldn’t waste my time reading this book…I suggest that you go to this site and read what St. Josemaria has to say…I think you’ll find that he explains all you need to know in his writings.😉
St. Josemaria is a saint, but Opus Dei, although of his founding, is not him.

Opus Dei is perhaps the best vehicle for the spirituality that St. Josemaria suggests. Yet, it’s full of sinners (much like the Church as a whole), therefore it and its members may fall short of living that spirituality (much like all of us Christians fall short of living the life of Christ).

My point is that I don’t believe that Opus Dei is like ODAN paints, but I don’t believe either that anything like ODAN reports has never happened in an Opus Dei center.

When I read ODAN, I agree with you that it seems that only the worst makes it to their web site. Most of it is full of misunderstandings and communication failures on both parts, but it’s painted by ODAN as intentional cruelty by Opus Dei, instead of human failings by its members.

Yet, Opus Dei does push the limits of some practices in the Church. For example, when it encourages minors to make promises towards becoming numeraries. Or when spiritual direction for numeraries with center directors is akin to a confession, without the seal of confidentiality.

I think that the best for Opus Dei and its members is to lose its status as a personal prelature and to adopt the same structure as some other movements or orders, giving the local bishop more control over Opus Dei centers in his diocese. I’m sure that thus ODAN wouldn’t make sense, as any issue could be taken care of quickly by the bishop, instead of the eons that it now takes when it’s so autonomous with headquarters in the Vatican.

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Augustine:
…I think that the best for Opus Dei and its members is to lose its status as a personal prelature and to adopt the same structure as some other movements or orders, giving the local bishop more control over Opus Dei centers in his diocese. I’m sure that thus ODAN wouldn’t make sense, as any issue could be taken care of quickly by the bishop, instead of the eons that it now takes when it’s so autonomous with headquarters in the Vatican.

:blessyou:
So then in essence what you are saying, is that you question John Paul II’s decision to grant Opus Dei the status of “personal prelature” ?
 
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Annunciata:
So then in essence what you are saying, is that you question John Paul II’s decision to grant Opus Dei the status of “personal prelature” ?
For the record, I can’t stop recommending someone to approach Opus Dei. I’ve posted several times in threads regarding Opus Dei after my positive experience having one of its priests as a spiritual director a long time ago. I could witness the life in a center as very pious and healthy, at least as an outsider.

On the beloved JPII, he wasn’t infallible in matters of Church discipline, but I do not question his decision then. As his decision wasn’t that the status for Opus Dei should remain so indefinitely, I do believe that in the present the status of Opus Dei should be different.

:blessyou:
 
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Augustine:
For the record, I can’t stop recommending someone to approach Opus Dei. I’ve posted several times in threads regarding Opus Dei after my positive experience having one of its priests as a spiritual director a long time ago. I could witness the life in a center as very pious and healthy, at least as an outsider.

On the beloved JPII, he wasn’t infallible in matters of Church discipline, but I do not question his decision then. As his decision wasn’t that the status for Opus Dei should remain so indefinitely, I do believe that in the present the status of Opus Dei should be different.

:blessyou:
Augustine,
You are certainly entitled to your opinion…I just think you are wrong.
God Bless:)
 
Something to help in this discussion between Annunciata and Augustine:

Taken from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei

As regards former members, Cardinal Schönborn states: “It is unjustified to present personal difficulties within a community as if they were a general experience.” Reader Emeritus of Sociology of the University of Oxford, Bryan R. Wilson, a scientist admired by scholars world-wide but also opposed by some others, studied the phenomenon of a former member who “shows himself to have been first a victim” then “a redeemed crusader” and “whose personal history predisposes him to bias.” Wilson states: “the suspicion must arise that he acts from a personal motivation to vindicate himself and to regain his self-esteem.” These, he says, tend to rehearse an atrocity story.

It just shows that we have to suspect those who say they have been “adversely affected”: that’s the statement of ODAN.

Here’s another from another well-known Catholic sociologist:

In [dci.dk/en/?article=210&emne= Interesting Times](http://www.dci.dk/en/?article=210&emne= Interesting Times) , referring to Moncada and Garvey who say they are Catholics, Introvigne states that “there are only two ways to continue to brand Opus Dei as ‘a cult’ or ‘heretical’ and, at the same time remain Catholic. The first is to claim that the Pope and the Church are ‘not well informed’ about Opus Dei. Those making these claims are of course ‘not well informed’ themselves on how Rome treats controversial subjects. Critical documents are carefully collected and examined for years (in fact, it took more than twenty years for Opus Dei to obtain the status of a Personal Prelature). The second, more logical, is as Dr. Alberto Moncada did in his speech at the 1993 Barcelona meeting to claim that the Roman Catholic Church itself under the present Pope exhibits ‘cultic’ features and to impugnate the orthodoxy of documents such as the new Cathecism itself. These claims, however, are hardly compatible with claiming to remain a member in good standing and in full loyalty of the Roman Catholic Church.”

This last is taken from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_Opus_Dei

Please do not get me wrong: I am not saying that what Augustine said here is comparable to Moncada and Garvey. All I am saying is that something can be learned here: the personal prelature status was well studied as something that is “perfectly suited to Opus Dei.” In fact it is not just suited externally, as fitting to its characteristics, but also internally, as fitting to what God wanted His Work to be, i.e. original charism of Opus Dei. 😉
 
Thanks to all who have posted. I must say I have been in contact with several Opus Dei members in the last few days and I am very impressed with evrything I have heard so far. They are very sincere and dedicated to our Lord Jesus Christ and I can’t help but want to be apart of that.

God Bless everyone!
 
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