Oral Contraceptive Question

[Reuben_J]

Contraception as a noun is a different story. Many things are contraceptive but are not used for the purpose of contracepting. Even some foods can have the effect of reducing fertility. A woman who has a hysterectomy to stop a life threatening hemorrhage is having a procedure that will prevent pregnancy - but she is not contracepting if she continues to have sex afterward.

I do not believe contraceptive that is being used for treatment gives you carte blanche freedom of sex that includes contraception.

It is a matter of knowing how the contraceptive works and each case has to be assessed separately. Granted there is ignorance and we are too lazy to know, we just make that blanket statement that oral contraceptive pills can be used for medical treatment and the couple can have sex as usual. This is an irresponsible act; it is more of wanting to use the treatment and circumscribing the Church’s teaching, thinking it is OK since it is for treatment purpose after all.

This is against the spirit of HV and the many teachings that were pointed out by Ron. If you love the Church and understand the heart and the mind of the Popes who wrote this encyclicals and teachings, you would know that the ultimate objective of preserving the sanctity of life is not abdicated even when the use of contraceptive for treatment is allowed. Thus diligence and fidelity to the Magestrium is always called for.

 

[Debora123]

Give it up Bluegoat, some people simply refuse to believe certain things, no matter how clear or logical it is. I think you helped the OP get the answer to her question, and that’s what’s important. Other peoples’ opinions don’t really matter.

 

[bhall0689]

Give it up Bluegoat, some people simply refuse to believe certain things, no matter how clear or logical it is. I think you helped the OP get the answer to her question, and that’s what’s important. Other peoples’ opinions don’t really matter.

Thank you.

 

[Reuben_J]

Give it up Bluegoat, some people simply refuse to believe certain things, no matter how clear or logical it is. I think you helped the OP get the answer to her question, and that’s what’s important. Other peoples’ opinions don’t really matter.

So Bluegoat’s opinion who is an Anglican matters, and others’, who are CATHOLICS, do not. What logical thinking indeed.

This is a public Forum and there are readers who may want to read what’s being argued here and may form their opinion accordingly. Some people may have already made up their mind and want to hear what they want to hear.

There is nothing from you and Bluegoat that have rebutted what we say. I don’t know what your background is but Bluegoat is an Anglican. She does not believe in the Pope and the Magestrium. There is some aspect in Anglicanism that does not believe in birth control especially the pills. Some of them allow homosexuality which is even extended to their priesthood. Not all of them though but some.

An Anglican cannot have an objective understanding of Catholic’s teaching on birth control especially as they themselves do not believe in it. Thus the way they interpret the relevant documents may be seen from the eyes of ones who do not believe them in the first place. I say this again, it is dangerous to listen to a non-believer in your religion to advise you on such important matter as this.

The best course of action is to go to a priest. But now we have told you and you can also bring that to him for his opinion.

There is no** compromise in sin**. If after knowing what it entails and one still does it, then at least one knows what one is doing. There will be no excuse of ignorance.

The key word in the apologists’ advice that she referred to is UNINTENDED miscarriage. I have shown you that with the knowledge that is available to us today, the miscarriage as a result of sex during the fertile phase of a woman menstrual cycle is NOT UNINTNENDED but INTENDED.

You know that you are in your fertile phase and still willfully have sex. You are deliberately having sex because of unwillingness to rein the sexual urge at that moment but knowing that the marital union can possibly result in fertilization which will be aborted by the abortifacient that you are taking. You cannot escape from this fact and this has been told to you.

 

[Bluegoat]

Give it up Bluegoat, some people simply refuse to believe certain things, no matter how clear or logical it is. I think you helped the OP get the answer to her question, and that’s what’s important. Other peoples’ opinions don’t really matter.

Yup.

 

[Momofmyangels]

I do not believe contraceptive that is being used for treatment gives you carte blanche freedom of sex that includes contraception.

It is a matter of knowing how the contraceptive works and each case has to be assessed separately. Granted there is ignorance and we are too lazy to know, we just make that blanket statement that oral contraceptive pills can be used for medical treatment and the couple can have sex as usual. This is an irresponsible act; it is more of wanting to use the treatment and circumscribing the Church’s teaching, thinking it is OK since it is for treatment purpose after all.

This is against the spirit of HV and the many teachings that were pointed out by Ron. If you love the Church and understand the heart and the mind of the Popes who wrote this encyclicals and teachings, you would know that the ultimate objective of preserving the sanctity of life is not abdicated even when the use of contraceptive for treatment is allowed. Thus diligence and fidelity to the Magestrium is always called for.

:thumbsup:Very well said. Preserving the sanctity of life should be first and foremost when making these decisions. Everything else is secondary.

 

[faithfully]

As opposed to getting into the contraception discussion…

It’s WELL worth talking to your doctor about whether or not you even ovulate. THEY CAN TELL! And ultrasound will often show ovaries with large cycts on them. Meaning, no egg has released. And they will DX you as anovulatory. Can they guarantee that you’ll NEVER ovulate. No. But it’s not often likely in many circumstances. Circumstances that only you and your Dr. are likely to be privy to… that makes the majority of this discussion completely irrelavant to YOUR situation.

If you’re hormones are such that you are ALWAYS bleeding… they generally are not ever in the position to tell your body to release an egg. It doesn’t make sense to do so. The body is already out of wack. It generally won’t release an egg to a uterus that is shedding it’s lining. It’s shedding it’s lining CONSTANTLY because the body is Constantly getting the message there is NO PG… SO SHED!

Add birthcontrol… it doesn’t FIX the problem. As many of us know. It just stops the bleeding. YAY! I KNOW… Which often means that you don’t STILL have the adequate hormones to do what you’re supposed to. And you still don’t ovulate. But at least you don’t feel like you’ll passout every time you climb 4 stairs.

Obviously, this only holds true if you know that you’re not ovulating…

Main thing. REgardless of the BC question. I think if you research, if you’re having medical problems… you’d be prudent to find a doctor that actually wants to treat your problems and not put a bandaid on your symptoms. (granted I get the “quick fix” for now… let’s not bleed to death… I REALLY get that!)

It doesn’t sound like you’re trying to figure out how to USE BC for the sake of BC… which is why I personally push for figuring out what the heck is wrong in the first place. Otherwise, I guarantee extra suffering when you actually DO want to get PG, and they STILL can’t figure you out. It’s wasted time that isn’t theirs (the MDs) to waste…

Hope you’re feeling better soon!

 

[JJ1989]

You’re fine to have a normal intimate marriage
as someone pointed out its intended miscarriages which pose a problem.

so many people on these forums might make you feel bad but consider these points:
*your intention is clearly not to prevent procreation but merely to save your health (God wants us to be healthy)
*sex is pretty much mandatory in a marriage (read the verses in Corinthians people!) You will have a duty to satisfy your husband’s appetite.
*Considering you are taking the pill for a medical reason, you can still have the intention to be opened to life (The pill does have a failure rate, so you still intend to leave it upto God).
*In regards to abortionate effects, you do not intend on having an abortion. You are still leaving that upto God (Remember the pill’s main purpose is to prevent ovulation). If it fails in this purpose you never desired for that so your intentions are clear

Now consider this hypothetical scenario: suppose you have a history of miscarriages. If you conceive you are more than likely to miscarry again. Now would it be fair to say that you should never get intimate because you risk an “abortion”? No! because you do not intend for that effect, you are simply leaving it up to God to decide whether your pregnancy fails or not.

Same with the pill, you do not intend on aborting but you leave it up to God to decide whether you do lose an embryo (hopefully not). God might also spare your child and let it implant on your walls, who knows? the point is you are not holding an abortive mentality.
Theres a question addressing this issue in this article:

thecatholicletter.com/birth-control-abortion-article-subjects-40/100-the-catholic-birth-control-a-sex-faq

Hope I helped and by the way I am also taking the pill for a medical reason. Not married yet but I did my research