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patg
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“Sorry” that this is your opinion, but it is totally untenable.
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Hegesippus
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No one has to say it is ok if one extends logic to one sexual practice to another and that is the claim made by neo-scholastics. Since you insist that I am focusing on anal sex (i was merely doing so because that appears to be the next sexual behavior ok’d after oral sex according to the principles of TOTB. Just check for yourself on ask an apologist and you will see anal sex was given the green light) The principles have to be questioned if when applied to certain sexual behavior, where are the lines drawn just as long as the man finishes inside his wife’s vagina. That is the basic argument, please address the argument. Is tying ones husband/ wife up, domineering, and other fetishes good to go.
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JenniferMoon
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Hegesippus, I’m sorry but your posts are becomming increasingly difficult to decipher. I’m not even sure I know what you are asking.
Please, show my where in Ask An Apologist that anal sex is advocated. You didn’t tell me where to look.
Also, you keep using the term “oral sex” when nobody here is talking about “oral sex”~ we’re talking about stimulation. Two completely different things.
And the part I bolded above… I have no clue what you’re talking about.
You’re writing style is confusing to say the least.
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blessedtoo
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Only confusing because you are not applying logic to this debate but rather emotionalism and conjecture.
The basis of this debate is that, according to some theologicans, academics, priests, and apologists, anything and everything is acceptable as long as the sexual act is completed with intercourse. In other words, you can “use” any sort of stimulation prior to the act as long as the act is completed as per the Catholic understanding.
According to this logic, it should be perfectly acceptable to engage in anal sexual arousal as long as one finishes the way one is supposed to.
It should be perfectly acceptable to engage in S & M as long as the man completes the act inside the wife.
His argument follows the rules of logic and anyone who advocates for oral sex (and yes, I KNOW the “difference” between this and oral “stimulation” - it’s called semantics) should be able to explain why one is okay and the others are not.
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blessedtoo
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Abraxsis
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I always thought it would be ok so long as the only source of sexual stimulation came from your wife. More like anything goes as long as you are married.
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fellowChristian
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Answer by Fr.Stephen F. Torraco
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Answer by Fr. Matthew Habiger
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ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?Pgnu=2&Pg=Forum5&recnu=46&number=507442
Answer by Fr. Matthew Habiger
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JenniferMoon
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Thank you for those links, FellowChristian 
I’ll leave it to someone with less bruises on his/her forehead.
I had to laugh at this comment. I have used neither.
Okay, this comment lets me know that you do not know the difference. I’m truly exhausted with trying to explain this over and over… ad nauseum.
I’ll leave it to someone with less bruises on his/her forehead.
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StratusRose
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Yes, I agree. I had to laugh as well.Thank you for those links, FellowChristian
I had to laugh at this comment. I have used neither.
Okay, this comment lets me know that you do not know the difference. I’m truly exhausted with trying to explain this over and over… ad nauseum.
I’ll leave it to someone with less bruises on his/her forehead.
This thread should be closed, we’re all just going in circles now. I don’t even bother replying to posts anymore because as the saying goes…you can lead a horse to water…
Done with this puritanical thread.
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StratusRose
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Sorry, had to add one more post.
Since when is Wikipedia a source for Catholic teaching or anything else for that matter?
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JenniferMoon
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I agree. It has crossed the line from merely ridiculous into the absurd. There’s nothing left to discuss if one side refuses to even use the proper terminology and insists on throwing in a sex act that is a perversion of the marital union (anal sex).
I’m done too.
Sad tho, because Catholic marital sex is a beautiful thing and should be discussed, but not if one side can’t support their argument.
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Sure
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Christopher West covers the topic of “anal sex” in his book, The Good News about Sex and Marriage. I don’t have the exact quote available, but he basically says that, similar to oral sex, it is permissible provided that it is a part of an act of intercourse and not “to completion.” He also states that the health aspects should be considered as bacterial contamination can occur when it is followed by vaginal intercourse. So, he concludes that it probably isn’t a good idea, but it is not intrinsically evil, either. The point that many are making here is that a wide variety of “stimulation” is permitted in foreplay and the logic that allows oral stimulation could also be used to allow anal stimulation. S&M and acts of bondage may cross a line because they are deliberately NOT loving, but rather intended to cause pain and humiliation which seems to be inconsistent with the marital embrace.
To those wondering about “sodomy”. Sodomy has long been a term used to describe anal AND oral sex. The term includes both. You can see numerous definitions that contain this here:
dictionary.reference.com/browse/sodomy
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DL82
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Sorry, no way of asking this question without being graphic.
If the end of sexual intercourse has to be open to life as well as unitive, would it be appropriate for a man who (whether deliberately or accidentally) has reached orgasm too early to use his hand to complete the procreative as well as the unitive aspect of the marital embrace with his wife?
If the end of sexual intercourse has to be open to life as well as unitive, would it be appropriate for a man who (whether deliberately or accidentally) has reached orgasm too early to use his hand to complete the procreative as well as the unitive aspect of the marital embrace with his wife?
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Yerusalyim
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I should think it would just be messy…and not necessarily procreative…but assisting the wife in completing her orgasm would be a big step toward the unitive aspect of the relation…if the male orgasm occurs outside the vagina ACCIDENTALLY…no problem…in my mind
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Yerusalyim
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My final word on this completely ridiculous thread, I see NOTHING in the CCC that would prohibit oral stimulation. The health aspects aside, I also see nothing that would prohibit anal stimulation.
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ElizabethAnne
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I agree with your first sentence, but in response to your second, I would say that a healthy view of sexuality is an asset to every vocation.Sex is neither a bad word nor a dirty little secret. If you feel it is, maybe you should be a religious.
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Miserissima
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See, I agree that almost all that can be said has been said. We looked at Scripture, contemporary Catholic Literature as well as early Church Fathers. We’ve quibbled over terminology as well as having shared highly sensitive personal information about our selves and our sexuality.
A agree that we’re beating the proverbial dead horse to continue (unless someone has another resource or something else related to this topic), but the active and scholarly participation on this thread was/is in no was “ridiculous” or “absurd.”
A agree that we’re beating the proverbial dead horse to continue (unless someone has another resource or something else related to this topic), but the active and scholarly participation on this thread was/is in no was “ridiculous” or “absurd.”
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Epsilon_Omega
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I have always wanted to know if say they guy accidently ejaculates outside of the vagina, is he supposed to then transfer the semen and place it back into the vagina (making it then a procreative act)? It is a tad off subject, but still somewhat along the lines.
~Gabe
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Yerusalyim
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ABSOLUTLEY NOT…sheesh people…once again, look up the term “scrupulosity.” What kind of God is it you imagine we serve? The act must be open to procreation, if a discharge takes place accidently outside the vagina the act was “open” to procreation because of the INTENT of the couple.
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