As far as I’m concerned no one can perform this act ever for any reason. We are not animals who lack reason. Married people are always to treat each other with dignity. I don’t care who has told you otherwise. I will belive it is permitted only when the Pope himself says so in the clearest tones.
Well, the “by her hand” thing isn’t going to get you any concessions on THIS website. Catholics have rules, and lots of them, and touching the genitals in that manner is ONE.(I’ve always wondered if anyone has counted all the rules Catholics have)…the JEWS had 613 to live by.
I totally agree with you. Before I came into the church I had oral sex performed on me once and I couldn’t understand why the woman would want to do it. I was asked by a woman once to do it to her and I of course politely declined.
Since you are a Methodist, but you have counted all the Rules that the Jews have (not had) and you think that we Catholics have lots and lots of Rules, are you thinking of becoming one of us ? As you make no mention of all the Methodist Rules !!!
Why yes we have counted those rules. There are essentially 10 basic ones. They are called the 10 commandments. And if you look at them, you can see how we arrive at what we consider sins which is what you’re really referring to …not rules! There are a multitude of ways to sin which lead back to breaking the 10 commandments.
Nice try. Oral sex is fine as long as it occurs on the way to intercourse where the act should culminate (for the male). From what I understand, this applies even where conception is impossible due to infertility, hysterectomy, or advanced age.
Some women like it.I totally agree with you. Before I came into the church I had oral sex performed on me once and I couldn’t understand why the woman would want to do it. I was asked by a woman once to do it to her and I of course politely declined.
Why yes we have counted those rules. There are essentially 10 basic ones. They are called the 10 commandments. And if you look at them, you can see how we arrive at what we consider sins which is what you’re really referring to …not rules! There are a multitude of ways to sin which lead back to breaking the 10 commandments.
Btw, I’m from a very long line of Methodists, so I’m well aware of the rules that exist there and I know there are others here on CAF. In addition, I distinctly remember hearing on more Sunday mornings than not, about Wesley and what he believed and HIS doctrines. One has to wonder who they were really following.
Also what you’re referring to with the Jews was their “works of the law”. BIG difference!
The Jews, following the Torah(the first 5 books of the Bible) had 248 positive things they should do, much like Catholics should eat fish on Fridays during Lent. And the Jews had 365 negative things that they shouldn't do, much like Catholics shouldn't spill semen outside of the vagina. The total amount was 613. Much of this whole forum is about finding out what what the "rules" are..I see all the time on this forum "Is it OK for me to_____(you fill in the blank) ..if you like it worded differently, then it's,"finding out what is a "sin" in the opinion of the pope and bishops(both past and present) and apologists, and other Catholics". And come on let's be honest, there are more things that are considered a sin in the Catholic Church than the 10 commandments.(This thread discussing just one of them)I’m struggling to remember any reference to oral sex in the story of Abraham.
Nothing wrong with trying to determine whether one sinned or not. The Pope, Priests, apologists and others provide advice on the matter as it relates to Scripture. The example you provide above about “spilling seed outside the vagina” is addressed in Genesis as it describes the sin of Onan. Surely you’ve read that before!? Search CAF on the matter, there’s plenty of threads on it as you obviously can imagine. The discussion of the sin of Onan was very specific regarding the unnatural selfish act he committed and how God detested it. He did it to deny creating life and for his own pleasure after he was told to marry his brother’s wife first, so he could then create offspring.
I suppose its whether you wish to pick and choose which ones you THINK are related to them. We simply need to advice from time to time to help determine whether some act we committed (or omitted) is a sin.
Does anyone know what Judaism and the Rabbis teach concerning Onan? Oh yes I am familiar with the story and the Catholic stance. But has it always been taught that why he was killed (however that was) and why he sinned? Because of spilling seed outside of the woman or because his job was to provide an heir for his brother?Nothing wrong with trying to determine whether one sinned or not. The Pope, Priests, apologists and others provide advice on the matter as it relates to Scripture. The example you provide above about “spilling seed outside the vagina” is addressed in Genesis as it describes the sin of Onan. Surely you’ve read that before!? Search CAF on the matter, there’s plenty of threads on it as you obviously can imagine. The discussion of the sin of Onan was very specific regarding the unnatural selfish act he committed and how God detested it. He did it to deny creating life and for his own pleasure after he was told to marry his brother’s wife first, so he could then create offspring.
The 10 Commandments are somewhat broad and all encompassing. For example, Jesus clarifies this when describing that if you lust after a woman you’ve committed adultery in your heart, right? So its the same thing. As with the 7 “deadly” or capital sins! And btw, the Methodist Church does acknowledge the 7 capital sins.
When you do an examination of conscience, how do you determine what sins you’ve committed (or omitted)? Scripture like the rest of us? Pastoral advice? If you are left wondering and can’t seem to locate it in Scripture, how do you know? If you can’t find it, do you just shrug it off as though it doesn’t exist so whatever it was must be ok?