Ordaining women and infallible teaching

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I believe this is the right forum for this question. Apologies if it’s not.

Wouldn’t ordaining women open up the question of whether infallible teaching is actually infallible since JPII declared it to be infallible teaching that women can’t be ordained?
 
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StudentMI said:
I believe this is the right forum for this question. Apologies if it’s not.

Wouldn’t ordaining women open up the question of whether infallible teaching is actually infallible since JPII declared it to be infallible teaching that women can’t be ordained?
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The day the Catholic Church starts ordaining women is the day I stop being Catholic.

Because yes. The Church, through both the ordinary and extraordinary Magisterium, has consistently taught that it has no power to ordain women. If the Church starts doing this, then infallibility is a sham, the Catholic Church is a sham, and Christianity is a sham.
 
Don’t confuse Churchmen with the Church. The former are fallible; the latter is infallible.

That being noted, there are a couple of Churchmen who have “ordained” women and as such have incurred the penalties prescribed by Canon Law. In the RC Archdiocese of Philadelphia, there was a “parish” which called itself Catholic and advertised that it was “inclusive” and had women “clergy”. Archbishop Chaput (this was during his tenure) issued a very forceful public statement that this “parish” is not part of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, they’re excommunicated and that no Catholic should participate in their “services”.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
Don’t confuse Churchmen with the Church. The former are fallible; the latter is infallible.

That being noted, there are a couple of Churchmen who have “ordained” women and as such have incurred the penalties prescribed by Canon Law. In the RC Archdiocese of Philadelphia, there was a “parish” which called itself Catholic and advertised that it was “inclusive” and had women “clergy”. Archbishop Chaput (this was during his tenure) issued a very forceful public statement that this “parish” is not part of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, they’re excommunicated and that no Catholic should participate in their “services”.
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Correct. Churchmen can go “ordaining” women all they want, but it does not make it “the Church”.

It will become only “the Church” when the Pope or Ecumenical Council promulgates it, and I’m certain the indefectibility of the Church will prevent it from doing so.
 
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Correct. Churchmen can go “ordaining” women all they want, but it does not make it “the Church”.

It will become only “the Church” when the Pope or Ecumenical Council promulgates it, and I’m certain the indefectibility of the Church will prevent it from doing so.
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The Church will NEVER, ніколи, jamais, noch nie, ποτέ, 決して, 決不 allow women to be ordained 🙏.

(English, Ukrainian, French, German, Greek, Japanese, traditional Chinese)

@Kei, is my Japanese correct?
 
Thank you for the replies. Perhaps I jumped the gun a bit but this type of thing worries me.
 
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JPII declared it to be infallible teaching that women can’t be ordained?
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What JPII said was: “I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful” (my emphasis).

Cardinal Gerhard Müller, former Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has argued however that it is not possible to separate out the degrees of Holy Orders and so the statement of infallibility applies equally to the diaconate as well as priesthood.
 
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man…

New American Bible. (2011). (Revised Edition, 1 Timothy 2:12). Washington, DC: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
 
And why, may I indignantly enquire, did you not use Latin (numquam)? 😆
 
Sadly, my Latin is not good enough to reply. I tried Google Translate but I don’t trust it. What it suggested may actually have said, ‘Your big-eared donkey drinks beer’. 😃
 
It is infallible, which is why women can’t be ordained. I’m not sure why people don’t understand this.
 
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