Ordaining women priests. What say you?

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What do I say? It’s another smack in the face to our Lord.

What’s even more saddening is the comments to the article.
 
This is what I just posted on my Facebook page with this article - It is not an unjust Canon when one truly understands it. Yet we have those within the Church that do not understand that wish to be priests. And we have others who are responsible for the spiritual growth of communities that attended this? We must pray for both the conversion of these women and those that support them
 
Article:
No member of the Roman Catholic Womenpriests has been excommunicated by the Church, but they have felt repercussions.
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Yes, they have automatically been excommunicated. Its called “Latae Sententae”, and it happens when you mock a sacrament. The church might not be aware of it, or may not formally excommunicate to avoid drawing attention, but unless they stop acting like a priest, and confess to a real priest, they are indeed excommunicated.

They are still Catholic - you can’t be kicked out of the church any more than you can be kicked out of humanity - but they are no longer allowed to receive the sacraments they purport to celebrate.
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LaRosa recognizes they are breaking Church law — specifically Canon 10:24 — but says, “when you have an unjust law, sometimes it needs to be broken before it can be changed.”
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Canon 1024 states:
Can. 1024 A baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly.
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The canon merely reflects reality. Woman cannot be ordained sacramentally. Changing a human wording of canon law won’t change that.
 
Theologically it makes no sense whatsoever. How can a woman represent Christ when it comes to the Holy Eucharist? Am I supposed to flee into abstract thinking when a priestess consecrates the bread with the words “this is my body”? An insufferable distraction and travesty that would destroy my devotional life and that of countless others.
 
we have heard about it, as often as it happens that the sacrament of holy orders is profained it is discussed on these forums,
what do you mean by “what say you?” there is no such thing
the only legitimate question is “What says Christ through his Church?”
 
I’ve always been agnostic on this idea. If the church doesn’t do it, great. If they do, great.

What I love is watching people on both sides freak out over this. The hardcore “ordain women” crowd jump up and down and scream about sexism. The hardcore “Never ordain women” crowd jump up and down and scream about tradtion. It’s funny. It’s never going to happen, so don’t hold your breath.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
npr.org/2011/06/12/137102746/women-priests-defy-the-church-at-the-altar

More rebellion within the Church. Why haven’t we heard about the German bishops who purportedly ordained these women priests? Or have we? Does anybody have an opinion?
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Nothing is said much in the article about those attending nuns and other priests? Are they catholics too ( or catholics who have left the CC)?

Second I noticed, is that the supposedly ordained women also ordained other women priests.

This is already open rebellion. Only a bishop can confer Holy Orders, not another priest. No priest will ordain another priest. And I think there is a need to be three bishops to be validly ordained.

Let us just offer prayers to these people that they will see and come to the Light of Christ and His Church.
 
Even if a bishop were to lay his hands on a woman and speak all the correct words of ordination, nothing happens. Same thing if a priest were to say the correct words of consecration at a Mass, but were to use oreo cookies and coca cola instead of unleavened bread and wine. Nothing happens.

The Pope issued Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which says the Church can not ordain women, and that this is to be held definitively by all Catholics. This document met all of the criteria for an infallible, unchangeable statement by a Pope. It is now doctrine.

The definition of heresy is this: The obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.

Anyone who is guilty of heresy is a heretic, and the penalty for heresy is immediate, automatic excommunication,* latae sententae*.

Therefore, those who insist that the Church can ordain women, are denying a truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith. They commit heresy, and are, therefore, heretics. They have been automatically excommunicated. They are no longer in communion with the Body of Christ, and, therefore, with Christ, because Christ and His Body are one.
 
I wonder what would happen to the issues of female ordination, clerical celibacy, and gays in the priesthood if Italy were suddenly under the control of an anti-clerical administration that closed down the Vatican’s money supply and stole the Vatican City. Sometimes I think we’ll only see the real mettle of popes to confirm or deny the immutability of the Catholic faith when it is truly tested by war and persecution. In such a peaceful time, it is very easy to say the Church “cannot” and “never will” ordain women. How the Papacy reacts to constant pressure from its money-supplies in an increasingly non-Catholic Italy will be interesting to see. The Church was certainly quick to decline clerical marriage when the inheritance-issues of Feudalism became apparent among clergy with children.

What if a bunch of Italian liberals did blockade the City and cordon it off with Roman police? Imagine all Catholics being turned away from it. Don’t say “it can never happen”. The Papacy currently relies almost entirely on foreign investment. What if banks and corporations simply refused to keep the City funded unless Catholic “positions” and dogma were changed? I should like to see the vaunted, unchanging Magisterial dignity of truth tested properly. I hope with all my heart and soul that it never comes to that, but if it does… can the Papacy truly hold to its own in a world that will not understand or believe its reasons for disallowing female, gay, and married ordination?

You can never be sure how the world will work. We may not always be in the state, age, and political climate we’re in.
 
Scoobyshme said:
Even if a bishop were to lay his hands on a woman and speak all the correct words of ordination, nothing happens. Same thing if a priest were to say the correct words of consecration at a Mass, but were to use oreo cookies and coca cola instead of unleavened bread and wine. Nothing happens.

The Pope issued Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which says the Church can not ordain women, and that this is to be held definitively by all Catholics. This document met all of the criteria for an infallible, unchangeable statement by a Pope. It is now doctrine.

The definition of heresy is this: The obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.

Anyone who is guilty of heresy is a heretic, and the penalty for heresy is immediate, automatic excommunication,* latae sententae*.

Therefore, those who insist that the Church can ordain women, are denying a truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith. They commit heresy, and are, therefore, heretics. They have been automatically excommunicated. They are no longer in communion with the Body of Christ, and, therefore, with Christ, because Christ and His Body are one.
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AMEN
 
There is no such thing as a woman “priest” just as there is no such thing as a gay “marraige”. As others have said, I would believe that these woman and whoever “ordained” them have incurred automatic excommunication. The thing that I don’t understand about the people who have a problem with the Church’s stand on these issues is why don’t they just go to some other “church” that lines up with their views. Rebellion against the Church is not what Catholicism is about!
 
Scoobyshme said:
Even if a bishop were to lay his hands on a woman and speak all the correct words of ordination, nothing happens. Same thing if a priest were to say the correct words of consecration at a Mass, but were to use oreo cookies and coca cola instead of unleavened bread and wine. Nothing happens.

The Pope issued Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which says the Church can not ordain women, and that this is to be held definitively by all Catholics. This document met all of the criteria for an infallible, unchangeable statement by a Pope. It is now doctrine.

The definition of heresy is this: The obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.

Anyone who is guilty of heresy is a heretic, and the penalty for heresy is immediate, automatic excommunication,* latae sententae*.

Therefore, those who insist that the Church can ordain women, are denying a truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith. They commit heresy, and are, therefore, heretics. They have been automatically excommunicated. They are no longer in communion with the Body of Christ, and, therefore, with Christ, because Christ and His Body are one.
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So, if I’m reading this correctly, your a “maybe” for women being ordained, right?
 
If I might be so bold as to offer a Confessional Lutheran perspective to this, I would say that this reflects at least two very regretable conditions rampant among most of the world’s Christians:
  1. Disregarding the Holy Scriptures, and particularly St. Paul, when the qualifications for a deacon, priest, or bishop are clearly articulated.
  2. Disregarding the sense of the pastoral office as functioning in the person of Christ, exercising the Keys He gave to His Church, and in the Apostolic train He established for this purpose.
It would seem that not only Lutherans struggle with these issues in our communions, but also the Anglicans and the Roman Catholics, as well as the rest of the Protestantant communions. The only group of Christians I’m aware of that don’t seem to be struggling with this, are the Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. One would think that with the Lutheran Confessions being what they are, Lutherans would never enter this debate, and yet it infects a majority of the world’s Lutherans.

While I’m sure that within the Roman context, the appeal to papal authority and canon law are common to resolve this issue (as for Lutherans, the appeal to our Confessions and Holy Scripture are also normative,) for the rest of the Christian world, I think we’re arguing from a lower level of debate-- specifically, whether or not we shall be normed by the Holy Scriptures and the Apostolic witness of antiquity, or rather by the spirit of our age.

I pray the Romans fight well in their battle… it seems we are all similarly assualted.

Peace be with you.
 
Al_Moritz said:
Theologically it makes no sense whatsoever. How can a woman represent Christ when it comes to the Holy Eucharist? Am I supposed to flee into abstract thinking when a priestess consecrates the bread with the words “this is my body”? An insufferable distraction and travesty that would destroy my devotional life and that of countless others.
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LOL , This is so wrong, but it cracked me up.

I am not for women priest myself. The biggest is the disrespect is shows to many generations of orders of nuns. This belittles their sacrifices and works. If we want to talk about the expansion of nuns within the church’s sacraments, then that is a different conversation. I have known many highly educated and wonderful nuns whose labor and effort are the backbone of church with their work in feilds.

Getting back to why this staement is so wrong in a bad way. Do you think that your wife thinks that way when a priest who is male says the same thing? Then again, maybe this is why more women go to mass. 😃
 
Tantum_ergo said:
What do I say?

I say what the Church says. . .The Church has no authority to ordain women.

So there is no such thing, in the Church as ‘ordaining a woman priest’.

**Roma locuta est. Causa finita est. **
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I heard about this on NPR and concur with the above.
 
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