Ordaining women priests. What say you?

[CatholicZ09]

Well, at least one of the comments has it right: “Why seek an authority position in a church whose rules you don’t intend to follow?”

One glimmer of hope I suppose? It’s so sad…most of the posts basically say that we Catholics are all brainwashed…

 

[joanofarc2008]

One glimmer of hope I suppose? It’s so sad…most of the posts basically say that we Catholics are all brainwashed…

Do you mean to say that because we believe what the Church we belong to teaches means that we are brain washed. I would say that just means we aren’t hypocrites.

 

[CatholicZ09]

Do you mean to say that because we believe what the Church we belong to teaches means that we are brain washed. I would say that just means we aren’t hypocrites.

I’m talking about the comments in the original article…

 

[joanofarc2008]

I’m talking about the comments in the original article…

Sorry about that - lost the context of your statement.

 

[CatholicZ09]

Sorry about that - lost the context of your statement.

No harsh feelings!

 

[acarlson]

As a woman, I must say that women cannot be priests any more than a man can NATURALLY bear a child in a womb as does a women. Men and women were created equal. But equal does NOT necessarily mean identical. The masculine and feminine sexes compliment each other; the differences don’t make one better than the other. Besides, the Church is the bride of Christ. Why don’t we have any qualms with that?

In other words, women CAN’T be ordained as priests. If a woman claims to be ordained validly, she simply isn’t because it’s not possible.

 

[belorg]

As a woman, I must say that women cannot be priests any more than a man can NATURALLY bear a child in a womb as does a women. Men and women were created equal. But equal does NOT necessarily mean identical. The masculine and feminine sexes compliment each other; the differences don’t make one better than the other. Besides, the Church is the bride of Christ. Why don’t we have any qualms with that?

In other words, women CAN’T be ordained as priests. If a woman claims to be ordained validly, she simply isn’t because it’s not possible.

You may rest assured that there will be a day when women will b ordained as priests. The Catholic faith has a tendency to run behind on the facts a bit.
Of course men can’t naturally bear children, but there is nothing a male priest can do naturally that a women cannot.
I’m sure if tomorrow the pope says it’s OK fro women to become priests, most of you are, all of a sudden, going to change your mind. Why is thta. Have you lolst the ability to think for yourselves?
The role patterns between men and women are continually changing. It used tio be not done for a woman to have a job or to wear trousers too.

And as for the priest being the impersonation of Christ, is it really too difficult for your omnipotent God to have a women impersonate Christ? Was Christ black? Is it therefore impmossible for black people to become priests?

I think this generation of priests will not see women priets, but I’m sure their children will.

 

[GloriousOrder]

The moment any Pope allows women priests, I’m becoming Orthodox. You can only stretch the bounds so far until it becomes obvious that the faith is lost. I do hope you live 80 more years or so, belorg, just so we can see who’s correct!

 

[TrueLight]

The moment any Pope allows women priests, I’m becoming Orthodox. You can only stretch the bounds so far until it becomes obvious that the faith is lost. I do hope you live 80 more years or so, belorg, just so we can see who’s correct!

Interesting.

I’ve heard similar comments from different people.

That implies to me that deep down you believe the Orthodox are the ones who REALLY have the fullness of faith, or that they are the ones who have remained faithful and never change…

I’m curious as to how many Catholics would leave the church if the church changed its stance.

 

[TrueLight]

Gee, do you have a sense of humor?!

Don’t tell me you haven’t observed this feminine phenomenon in numerous parishes?

I have also seen men comment on this, that at times the parish seems like a koffee klatch. We have to be honest, it’s not guys that create that environment.

However there are hundreds of people in a parish. I agree it’s a minority of women that are fussing and controlling things, maybe only 10, 20 or so. But this is such a common problem, I’m shocked you found my lighthearted words about it offensive.

Sorry!

This is what you said:

First, I’d better confess I am female. This is partly tongue-in-cheek, but only partly!

Only partly you say?

Women have a way of doing things very devotedly but also with a flurry and commotion that is not becoming in a man, much less a priest. If our priest did not almost rule with an iron fist, the above women would be up to all sorts of silliness in addition to the 100’s of things they already do. It’s one thing or another, buy new curtains for the hall, sell rosaries after Mass, etc.

We’re a bunch of silly people with nothing of importance to contribute hey:?

So a woman doesn’t understand the concept of roles? How DO we get by in the workplace? When we’re supposed to be coming up with stock reports, we end up generating reports of crochet patterns.

That is fine, but it’s all typical female tasks, enlivened by plenty of gossip, confusion, competition and excess emotion. They love it, they are busy bees and they contribute a great deal, and cause a good deal of fuss too. But most of them I absolutely cannot imagine having the gravitas to offer Mass.

You did say you were a woman right?

The concept of “the Seal of the Confessional” would disintegrate immediately.

I can assure you men DO gossip.

Are there are no women psychologists who are bound to keep things private?

You know, I don’t believe there should be women priests, but not because of our intrinsic ability or because of our silliness.

And since this isn’t a woman-only forum, it’s hard for me to see humor in this. But maybe that’s just me.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Interesting.

I’ve heard similar comments from different people.

That implies to me that deep down you believe the Orthodox are the ones who REALLY have the fullness of faith, or that they are the ones who have remained faithful and never change…

I’m curious as to how many Catholics would leave the church if the church changed its stance.

It wouldn’t be THE CHURCH any more. If people understood anything they would understand this.

The Church, much as atheists and those who only sow discord seem to want, does not waver according to the whims of fashion.

 

[TrueLight]

It wouldn’t be THE CHURCH any more. If people understood anything they would understand this.

The Church, much as atheists and those who only sow discord seem to want, does not waver according to the whims of fashion.

Who gets to decide when the Church is not the Church anymore? It’s either we’re obedient or we’re not.

This is why there are sede groups.

 

[belorg]

The moment any Pope allows women priests, I’m becoming Orthodox. You can only stretch the bounds so far until it becomes obvious that the faith is lost. I do hope you live 80 more years or so, belorg, just so we can see who’s correct!

I’m almost 50, so i don’t expect to live another 80 years.
I know there is a tendency especially in Wetsren Europe to question celibacy and exclusively male priesthood. This is not just some ordinary people questioning those things, there are priets and bishops who do this.
Eeventually evn the Catholic church will come to its senses. It will have to if it wants to survive the 21st century.
And you are wrong: if a pope allows women to become priests, the pope is right, because you believe the pope is always right.
BTW what are you so afraid of? What practical difference would it make if women became priests? “The bride of Christ” or “the gromm of Christ”, this is just symbolic language. Metphors can change too.

And eventually the Orthodox churches will allow women priests too. Maybe this will take more than 80 years, who knows, but once things start moving, things can change rapidly. Who would have thought the Soviet Union would decine so fast, or what about the Arab revolutions?

 

[TrueLight]

It wouldn’t be THE CHURCH any more. If people understood anything they would understand this.

The Church, much as atheists and those who only sow discord seem to want, does not waver according to the whims of fashion.

I know people are going to blast me for this, but the Church does err… clarify… it’s position. But that’s a topic for another thread.

Either way, I wouldn’t freak out because I believe the Church grows in understanding, led by the Holy Spirit, as it always has been.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Erich

**Well, at least one of the comments has it right: “Why seek an authority position in a church whose rules you don’t intend to follow?” **

Because you want to change the rules to suit yourself?

 

[Charlemagne_II]

TrueLIght

I know people are going to blast me for this, but the Church does err… clarify… it’s position.

Which is it … err or clarify? If err, where has it erred?

 

[ddarko]

I know people are going to blast me for this, but the Church does err… clarify… it’s position. But that’s a topic for another thread.

Eeventually evn the Catholic church will come to its senses. It will have to if it wants to survive the 21st century.
And you are wrong: if a pope allows women to become priests, the pope is right, because you believe the pope is always right.

I think there is a slight confusion here. I think it is partly because we are talking about a situation which by faith we believe will never take place.

Yes, the Church does not err in matters of faith. But this does not mean it can go and contradict something it taught before as definitely true. That would mean it erred at some point in the past.

So in this matter, the church has held this current position theologically (i.e. a matter of faith and NOT DISCIPLINE) from the day the Christ chose 12 apostles. It has condemned heretical movements dating back to the first century when gnostic followers tried to ordain women.

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Btw, if anyone is interested in whether the church has declared any ruling on this matter infallibly, the following might be useful:-

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To say that it may change tomorrow would therefore be a lack of faith in the church being guided by the Holy Spirit with respect to the already infallibly declared teaching.

This is the very reason why we do not live our lives thinking the teachings that were proclaimed as true by the church might be changed as “correction” tomorrow. We believe that it was infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit when it first made the declaration and it will be the same for eternity.

If a validly elected pope were to come along in the future and proclaim ex cathedra that a Dogma is wrong or some women priests are ok, then that day would be the death of Christianity. We no longer have any certainty of what to believe as Christ’s promises or any form of guidance. For everything we know up to now might be subject to change. Tomorrow we might hear that salvation is not possible and the church was wrong about it. Or the Koran is now the new holy text of the church etc.

It is our faith that such a day will never come to be because God in his providence and guidance of the Holy Spirit will always safeguard the church from such an episode. The Church is not merely a human enterprise. It is also Divine.

So this question might as well be rephrased as "What would you do if God changed his mind tomorrow?"

Then I think the answer becomes much clearer.

God Bless

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I’m almost 50, so i don’t expect to live another 80 years.
I know there is a tendency especially in Wetsren Europe to question celibacy and exclusively male priesthood. This is not just some ordinary people questioning those things, there are priets and bishops who do this.
Eeventually evn the Catholic church will come to its senses. It will have to if it wants to survive the 21st century.
And you are wrong: if a pope allows women to become priests, the pope is right, because you believe the pope is always right.
BTW what are you so afraid of? What practical difference would it make if women became priests? “The bride of Christ” or “the gromm of Christ”, this is just symbolic language. Metphors can change too.

And eventually the Orthodox churches will allow women priests too. Maybe this will take more than 80 years, who knows, but once things start moving, things can change rapidly. Who would have thought the Soviet Union would decine so fast, or what about the Arab revolutions?

How sad when people don’t even understand WHY Holy Mother Church will never change her stance on certain issues.

 

[SwizzleStick]

You may rest assured that there will be a day when women will b ordained as priests. …

No, that will not happen because it is impossible for women to be ordained as priests. It cannot and will not ever be.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Ever noticed how lately there have been a host (pun intended) of people coming on to rant and rail about their gluten allergies (which are real and nothing to make fun of, and I am NOT doing so), and to DEMAND that the Church give them ‘gluten-free’ hosts even though, by definition, a gluten FREE host would NOT contain the wheat that is REQUIRED for said host to be valid matter?

It’s not a coincidence. The idea is that if the Church will compromise over valid matter on ONE thing, it will be forced to compromise on all others.

Hosts made without wheat. Women ordained as ‘priests’. "Same sex’ marriages. Each one in and of itself aims to change the nature of the particular sacrament into accepting something that is NOT valid matter.