Order of Mass in Western Europe pre Trent

[Saintlucy]

I love to read Tudor history because this period was pivitol in our faith and the authors frequently talk about the king or queen attending 5 Masses a day.
I have searched the net but can find no order of Mass before the Tridentine. does anyone know?

 

[rapunzel77]

I love to read Tudor history because this period was pivitol in our faith and the authors frequently talk about the king or queen attending 5 Masses a day.
I have searched the net but can find no order of Mass before the Tridentine. does anyone know?

Look up the Sarum Rite. It predates the Tridentine. You can probably find it online.

 

[corsair]

The “Tridentine Mass” was a codefication of the various “Rites” being celebrated throughout Europe in the 16th century. The Council of Trent authorized Rites that were over 200 years old to continue. (Dominican, Mozarabic, Ambrosian, etc., and many eastern rites). Anything less than 200 years old was to adopt the Tridentine. (which is really what most areas were celebrating anyway).
So I’m thinking that the Poster that suggested a study of the Sarum use may lead you where you want to go.

 

[Saintlucy]

Thanks to you.

I thought that it must have be the Sarum rite but why Sarum, which is the seat of the Archbishop of Salisbury? As the senior see in England and that St Augustine was sent by Gregory the Great to evangelize the English and that he was the first Archbishop of Canterbury, you’d have thought that there was a Cantuarum rite…Sorry, talking to myself.

 

[patrick457]

I love to read Tudor history because this period was pivitol in our faith and the authors frequently talk about the king or queen attending 5 Masses a day.
I have searched the net but can find no order of Mass before the Tridentine. does anyone know?

If you’re looking for English liturgies, here are two good sources: The Ancient Liturgy of the Church of England: according to the uses of Sarum, Bangor, York & Hereford and the modern Roman liturgy arranged in parallel columns (1846), The ordinary of the Use of Sarum, in Latin and English, and the Missale ad usum insignis et praeclarae ecclesiae Sarum (1861).

 

[patrick457]

The “Tridentine Mass” was a codefication of the various “Rites” being celebrated throughout Europe in the 16th century. The Council of Trent authorized Rites that were over 200 years old to continue. (Dominican, Mozarabic, Ambrosian, etc., and many eastern rites). Anything less than 200 years old was to adopt the Tridentine. (which is really what most areas were celebrating anyway).

Actually I think we should distinguish here between the ‘Roman’ and ‘Tridentine’. Properly speaking, the term ‘Tridentine’ would refer to the form of the Roman Liturgy as codified in the typical editions of the Roman Missal published between 1570 and 1962. So while it is correct to say that medieval areas offered the Mass according to (the local variations of) the Roman Rite, it is anachronistic to say that they were offering it according to the ‘Tridentine’ form.

The aim of the 1570 Missal (and subsequent revisions) was actually to restore the Roman liturgy “to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers.” Due to the relatively limited resources available at the time to Pope Paul V’s scholars however, it would seem that this aim was in fact not realised thoroughly.

With the Catechism published for the instruction of the faithful, by God’s help, and the Breviary thoroughly revised for the worthy praise of God, in order that the Missal and Breviary may be in perfect harmony, as fitting and proper - for its most becoming that there be in the Church only one appropriate manner of reciting the Psalms and only one rite for the celebration of Mass - We deemed it necessary to give our immediate attention to what still remained to be done, viz, the re-editing of the Missal as soon as possible. Hence, We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses.