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Is the only order that us laity are invited to join (for the men of course) the Knights of Columbus, of which I am an insurance member? It seems like everything else is for the clergy.
What’s that mean? I don’t believe in this diocese there are any benedictines. Maybe so carmalites or discalced carmalites. What about the Dominicans, Gregorians, and Augustinians?A small correction re: Benedictines. Their associates are known as Oblates, and are attached to a particular monastery.![]()
Oblates make their oblation to a particular monastery. Franciscans (for example), are members of their own order and are “attached” to all friaries (in theory-an OFS in good standing moving from, say, California to Florida will be usually accepted at the local fraternity in Florida, assuming that member is in good standing, ie, the “receiving” fraternity retains the right to refuse him.)What’s that mean? I don’t believe in this diocese there are any benedictines. Maybe so carmalites or discalced carmalites. What about the Dominicans, Gregorians, and Augustinians?
But they’re still a 3rd order, or similar, right ?A small correction re: Benedictines. Their associates are known as Oblates, and are attached to a particular monastery.![]()
No, sir.But they’re still a 3rd order, right ?
Jim
OKNo, sir.
I mean, they appear to be one.
A Benedictine Oblate is attached only to his monastery. Think of it as a “mini 3rd order” of only that monastery. There is no national structure (or even state one), unless I am mistaken. .
I hope that I didn’t come across as being disrepectful. If I did, I truly apologize, sir.
No apology necessary. You educated me.I hope that I didn’t come across as being disrepectful. If I did, I truly apologize, sir.![]()
No apology necessary. You educated me.
Jim
I guess the gregorians I am thinking of is the brotherhood of st gregory and is Anglican. But there is alot of gregorian thought and things in the Roman Church too.Oblates make their oblation to a particular monastery. Franciscans (for example), are members of their own order and are “attached” to all friaries (in theory-an OFS in good standing moving from, say, California to Florida will be usually accepted at the local fraternity in Florida, assuming that member is in good standing, ie, the “receiving” fraternity retains the right to refuse him.)
I’ve heard of Augustinians, but not Gregorians.![]()
He was a Benedictine monk, and wrote the biography of St Benedict.I guess the gregorians I am thinking of is the brotherhood of st gregory and is Anglican. But there is alot of gregorian thought and things in the Roman Church too.
Not quite. Fully professed but non-clerical members of an order are considered consecrated religious. Benedictines did used to have “lay brothers”; they lived in the abbey, took simple vows, and generally did the manual labour of the abbey, had their own “little offices” instead of the Divine Office said by the choir monks, etc.Furthermore, I’d like to point out that almost all religious orders are open to the laity–being a religious doesn’t make someone stop being a layperson. Someone only stops being a layperson when they’re ordained to the diaconate.
Can. 654 By religious profession, members assume the observance of the three evangelical counsels by public vow, are consecrated to God through the ministry of the Church, and are incorporated into the institute with the rights and duties defined by law.
Can. 691 §1. A perpetually professed religious is not to request an indult of departure from an institute except for the gravest of causes considered before the Lord. The religious is to present a petition to the supreme moderator of the institute who is to transmit it along with a personal opinion and the opinion of the council to the competent authority.
Benedictines, for instance, are institutes of pontifical right.§2. In institutes of pontifical right, an indult of this type is reserved to the Apostolic See. In institutes of diocesan right, however, the bishop of the diocese in which the house of assignment is situated can also grant it.
The Cistercians (OCSO) have moved away from the term “oblate” and now use the term “Lay Associate” instead.No, sir.
I mean, they appear to be one.
A Benedictine Oblate is attached only to his monastery. Think of it as a “mini 3rd order” of only that monastery. There is no national structure (or even state one), unless I am mistaken. .
Hum. I have never heard of Cistercians.The Cistercians (OCSO) have moved away from the term “oblate” and now use the term “Lay Associate” instead.
***We see blossoming on the Cistercian trunk a branch different from all that has appeared up to now: men, women, married or celibate, who are receiving from the Lord a call to serve Him in the school of love, according to the Rule of St. Benedict and the Cistercian tradition. How far does the openness of the Cistercian charism go? Something has developed that is becoming more and more evident: the flowering of all your groups around the world. The values and common practices such as lectio divina, individual and liturgical prayer, simplicity of life, conversatio morum, interior silence and contemplation, work as a means of santification, bind you to one another and to us. We welcome this new phenomenon as a sign of the times and willingly place it in relation to the role that lay people taking increasingly in the life of the Church. ***
In all cases it is the bond to a particular community (monastery) which confers on the associate his membership in the Cistercian family. There is no national or international structure but the Lay Associate groups do have a meeting every three years.
Here are a few links to Lay Cistercian Groups.
trappist.net/about/lay-cistercians
laycisterciansofgethsemani.org/
laycistercians.com/
-Tim-
They follow the Rule of St. Benedict. So if you’re drawn to Benedictine spirituality, you might also be interested in Cistercians/Trappists/Camaldolese who all follow the same Rule as the Benedictines.Hum. I have never heard of Cistercians.
All I know about Benedict is lectio divina is what is practiced and he was a excorcist I guess.They follow the Rule of St. Benedict. So if you’re drawn to Benedictine spirituality, you might also be interested in Cistercians/Trappists/Camaldolese who all follow the same Rule as the Benedictines.