Ordinariate in Australia Expected by Pentecost

[Catholic_Press]

SYDNEY, Australia, JAN. 20, 2011 (Zenit.org).- Members of the Traditional Anglican Communion in Australia who are seeking to enter the Catholic Church are planning for the establishment of an ordinariate by Pentecost.

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[pinctor]

This should provoke fun in the Anglican diocese of Sydney!

 

[AcolyteLector]

But what about the Kiwis?

 

[Dale_M]

But what about the Kiwis?

Hm? Are you referring to the flightless birds or the tasty fruit?

Oh, I suppose it doesn’t really matter since not only do you have to be male to be a priest, you have to be human.



On a more serious note, my understanding of APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION ANGLICANORUM COETIBUS is that a separate ordinariate will need to be set up in any country which has a national conference of Catholic bishops.

Since New Zealand has a national conference of bishops which is separate from that of Australia, the Kiwi Anglicans who want to join such an ordinariate will have to create one for their own country.

 

[AcolyteLector]

Hm? Are you referring to the flightless birds or the tasty fruit?

Oh, I suppose it doesn’t really matter since not only do you have to be male to be a priest, you have to be human.



On a more serious note, my understanding of APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION ANGLICANORUM COETIBUS is that a separate ordinariate will need to be set up in any country which has a national conference of Catholic bishops.

Since New Zealand has a national conference of bishops which is separate from that of Australia, the Kiwi Anglicans who want to join such an ordinariate will have to create one for their own country.

That’s interesting, I didn’t know that the issue was being treated according to national boundaries–though, I suppose that’s a necessity given the incredible diversity within the Anglican Communion.

You always learn something new here!

 

[Digitonomy]

On a more serious note, my understanding of APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION ANGLICANORUM COETIBUS is that a separate ordinariate will need to be set up in any country which has a national conference of Catholic bishops.

Since New Zealand has a national conference of bishops which is separate from that of Australia, the Kiwi Anglicans who want to join such an ordinariate will have to create one for their own country.

In light of the fact that Japan is reportedly being roped into the Australian ordinariate, I would say that either your interpretation of Anglicanorum Coetibus is wrong, or that particular principle is being abandoned. That being the case, I would guess that NZ will tag along with Australia on this. In my very uninformed opinion, I don’t foresee more than 7 or 8 ordinariates worldwide, and that’s assuming 3 in the British Isles.

 

[Dale_M]

In light of the fact that Japan is reportedly being roped into the Australian ordinariate, I would say that either your interpretation of Anglicanorum Coetibus is wrong, or that particular principle is being abandoned. That being the case, I would guess that NZ will tag along with Australia on this. In my very uninformed opinion, I don’t foresee more than 7 or 8 ordinariates worldwide, and that’s assuming 3 in the British Isles.

More than likely my interpretation is wrong. This is the passage in Anglicanorum Coetibus I was referring to:

I. §1 Personal Ordinariates for Anglicans entering into full communion with the Catholic Church are erected by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith within the confines of the territorial boundaries of a particular Conference of Bishops in consultation with that same Conference.

§2 Within the territory of a particular Conference of Bishops, one or more Ordinariates may be erected as needed.

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_ben-xvi_apc_20091104_anglicanorum-coetibus_en.html

However, in the case of Japan and other countries with a smaller Anglican population, I can see why grouping countries together would be practical, even if both countries had separate national conferences of Catholic bishops. Doing so would remove one hurdle from crossing over.

BTW: sorry for my late response and the broken link in my earlier post. As I was posting that response the virus got me. Its taken me awhile to get back to normal operation.

 

[beckers]

I go to an Anglican Use parish so we will be wrapped up into the new Ordinate once it comes to america. Our understand is that there will be a few made around the world and then as they get bigger they will be split. Such as if America got too big it could be split into two (though i highly doubt that would happen for YEARS!)

 

[Digitonomy]

More than likely my interpretation is wrong. This is the passage in Anglicanorum Coetibus I was referring to:

That does seem fairly clear; I would interpret it as you did. It makes sense that the ordinariates would be established within a given national conference’s territory, so that whatever specific arrangements are needed between the two groups can be standardized, and the ordinariate isn’t having to negotiate the same issues again and again with multiple bishops’ conferences. This plan would also assure some cautious Latin bishops that they would have at least a collegial influence on the ordinariate, moreso than if it were foreign-based.

However, I think that while that may be the ideal, the practical considerations of what is a fairly small (and new) organization have caused them to deviate from that aspect of their plan.

 

[Digitonomy]

I go to an Anglican Use parish so we will be wrapped up into the new Ordinate once it comes to america. Our understand is that there will be a few made around the world and then as they get bigger they will be split. Such as if America got too big it could be split into two (though i highly doubt that would happen for YEARS!)

I have a question that’s only slightly off-topic; have you heard anything about how the transfer from diocesan membership to ordinariate is to be made by your parish?

I know that in some cases dioceses contributed money or a church building to establish an Anglican Use parish. While it might have caused some grumbling from nearby Latin parishes losing potential members, it was a reasonable investment to help establish and nourish a particular faith community in the diocese, that would be contributing to the diocese for years to come. Suddenly Anglicanorum Coetibus came along, and the investment is set to be stolen away.

Is there any talk of reimbursing dioceses in this situation, or are the bisohps just going to suck it up?

 

[beckers]

I have a question that’s only slightly off-topic; have you heard anything about how the transfer from diocesan membership to ordinariate is to be made by your parish?

I know that in some cases dioceses contributed money or a church building to establish an Anglican Use parish. While it might have caused some grumbling from nearby Latin parishes losing potential members, it was a reasonable investment to help establish and nourish a particular faith community in the diocese, that would be contributing to the diocese for years to come. Suddenly Anglicanorum Coetibus came along, and the investment is set to be stolen away.

Is there any talk of reimbursing dioceses in this situation, or are the bisohps just going to suck it up?

Thats a good question and we don’t really know the answer. It may be up to the Cardinal to decided how it would all happen. Its going to be hard to figure some things out because the ordinariate will be so new. Like how do we get insurance for the property and the health care and pensions covered for the pirest. Right now there are less than 15 Anglican Use Parish and even with more paishes it is going to be hard getting all the logoistics figured out money wise.

Our parish has been established for 25 years and from my understand has been paid off so i don’t know if the diocese would make us pay anything back. Guess we will have to wait and see.