Oregon Christian Bakers Pay Over $135,000 in State-Ordered ‘Emotional Damages’ to Lesbians

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PORTLAND, Ore. — The Christian owners of a bakery in Oregon have paid over $135,000 in state-ordered “emotional damages” for two lesbian women who filed a complaint after being told that the couple could not provide a cake for their “wedding” ceremony due to their convictions not to be a partaker in other’s sins. (1 Timothy 5:22, Ephesians 5:7)
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As previously reported, in February, a judge with the Oregon BOLI declared Aaron and Melissa Klein of Sweet Cakes by Melissa guilty of discrimination for declining to make the cake, thus moving the matter into the sentencing phase.
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christiannews.net/2015/12/29/oregon-christian-bakers-pay-over-135000-in-state-ordered-emotional-damages-to-lesbians/
 
If you can’t get what you want in one shop, you go down the road to another, what’s the big deal.

That kind of inconvenience should not cost $135,000
 
Eric_Hyom said:
If you can’t get what you want in one shop, you go down the road to another, what’s the big deal.

That kind of inconvenience should not cost $135,000
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The bakery raised over 500k on crowdfunding sites, so I guess they tidily profited from this little kerfluffle. Nice work, if you can get it.
 
mjwise said:
The bakery raised over 500k on crowdfunding sites, so I guess they tidily profited from this little kerfluffle. Nice work, if you can get it.
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I have no idea what the owners of the bakery did with the rest of the money. But the nice work if you can get it is being able to sue someone for not working for you and getting $135,000. That money was acquired by force. The money given to the bakers was given voluntarily because people felt sorry for them being shook down by the state mafia.
 
mjwise said:
The bakery raised over 500k on crowdfunding sites, so I guess they tidily profited from this little kerfluffle. Nice work, if you can get it.
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There’s a difference between the state demanding money from business owners for following their consciences and thousands of people donating money from the goodness of their hearts to help said business owners. Though I can’t say for sure, I doubt the bakery owners entered this fray with the expectations of a “tidy profit.”
The only thing I found amusing about the whole thing is that one of the “offended” plaintiffs bears the surname (albeit hyphenated) Cryer.
 
Hopefully this will discourage other retailers from unlawful discrimination.
 
Michael68 said:
What unlawful discrimination? You don’t think this was a set up discriminating against the business owner?
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If an interracial couple requested baking goods for a wedding and were refused, this would also be discrimination. This is the sort of thing that I mean by discrimination.

This sort of discrimination is apparently illegal at present, given the state order.
 
**Everything Was Gone’: State Emptied Christian Bakers’ Bank Accounts Before They Paid ‘Emotional Damages’ **
PORTLAND, Ore. — The Christian owners of a bakery in Oregon who paid over $135,000 in state-ordered “emotional damages” for two lesbian women who filed a complaint after being told that the couple could not provide a cake for their “wedding” ceremony say that the state emptied all three of their personal banking accounts earlier this month—including money set aside to pay their tithe.
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“It was like my breath was taken away,” Melissa Klein of Sweet Cakes by Melissa told conservative reporter Todd Starnes this week. “I panicked. Everything was gone.”
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christiannews.net/2015/12/30/everything-was-gone-state-emptied-christian-bakers-bank-accounts-before-they-paid-emotional-damages/
 
Samuel_Monosov said:
If an interracial couple requested baking goods for a wedding and were refused, this would also be discrimination. This is the sort of thing that I mean by discrimination.

This sort of discrimination is apparently illegal at present, given the state order.
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To go specifically to a Christian baker for this smells like a set up and apparently the result prooves this was a set up
 
Michael68 said:
To go specifically to a Christian baker for this smells like a set up and apparently the result prooves this was a set up
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Possibly so. This does not change the fact that the baker apparently illegally discriminated, and now has been made to pay a significant sum for this discrimination. This will hopefully discourage future illegal discrimination.
 
Samuel_Monosov said:
Possibly so. This does not change the fact that the baker apparently illegally discriminated, and now has been made to pay a significant sum for this discrimination. This will hopefully discourage future illegal discrimination.
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I wouldn’t go to an occult bookstore looking for pro christian books. Should I sue them?
 
Michael68 said:
I wouldn’t go to an occult bookstore looking for pro christian books. Should I sue them?
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Wedding cakes are just wedding cakes. There is no such thing as a “gay wedding cake.” I’m pretty sure it’s clear in this case that the service was refused because they did not like the event the cake was going to be present at. They were not willing to sell any cake to said couple for said event.
 
Michael68 said:
I wouldn’t go to an occult bookstore looking for pro christian books. Should I sue them?
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You could attempt to do so. It is not generally illegal to discriminate against books, or against ideas, so it may be difficult for you to make your case.

If the occult bookstore refused to sell you books because of your faith, you would seem to have a stronger case.

If Voodoo Doughnut refused to cater your wedding because of your religion, you would have an even stronger case.

None of these seem as strong to me as an interracial or gay marriage case because, even though the marriage is voluntary, the qualities being discriminated against (race, sex) are not. In all the examples provided above, the quality being discriminated against (creed) is voluntary.
 
mjwise said:
Wedding cakes are just wedding cakes. There is no such thing as a “gay wedding cake.” I’m pretty sure it’s clear in this case that the service was refused because they did not like the event the cake was going to be present at. They were not willing to sell any cake to said couple for said event.
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Books are just books. Should I sue because a store does not offer my type of books?
 
They could have done so. If they had done so, then this bakery wouldn’t serve as an example to discourage future illegal discrimination.
 
Wait until there’s legal protection for the rights of the obese. This is a far more numerically-significant group of people who are routinely excluded by businesses. I used to be a large woman and the vast majority of shops simply didn’t stock anything in my size. I could have been offended and upset, I suppose.
 
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