Organ donation should be automatic

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Rosalinda:
I have always signed my organ donation card and even remember telling a surgeon not to waste my organs should anything go wrong; nevertheless, given the present climate of bio-ethics which so frequently is at antipodes to the moral code I adhere to I have ripped up that card.
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This makes me very sad. I will need a heart transplant and I may not get one in time because people have been scared off.
 
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rayne89:
This makes me very sad. I will need a heart transplant and I may not get one in time because people have been scared off.
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I will pray you get your heart Rayne. People are scared for good reason unfortunately.Organ donation is a wonderful thing but the horrible trend of the medical community have people rightly disturbed.Rayne I will pray the Lord heals your heart. I am asking others here to pray for that as well.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I will pray you get your heart Rayne. People are scared for good reason unfortunately.Organ donation is a wonderful thing but the horrible trend of the medical community have people rightly disturbed.Rayne I will pray you get your heart.
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Thankyou so much for your prayers Lisa.

We need to pray for all those waiting for transplants. Right now there are 89,381 people on the national waiting list for organ transplant. From Jan-June of 2005 14,008 have recieved transplants. I not on the list yet because I am not sick enough. You pretty much have to be on deaths door before you can get on the list for a heart because there are so few available.

Yes there are horror stories out there but the overwhelming majority of transplant surgeons are ethical people. It’s those few over zealous doctors that are scaring away the few registered donar that are out there. People die everyday waiting for a transplant. Young people, children, mothers and fathers with children die everyday waiting for a transplant. This isn’t just about me and my heart. It’s about all thoses other mom’s with young ones who need an organ to see their babies grow up. The dad’s that worry about leaving their families struggling in their absence. The babies and children that haven’t even begun to live.

I understand the fear. I would never want anyone’s life cut short in order to save mine. But it also pains me deeply that so many chose to “take their organs with them” while other die that desperately need them.
 
Found an interesting article by Wesley Smith of the Discovery Institute called, “Dying to Donate”
Because of the ongoing organ shortage, some at the highest levels of bioethics and organ-transplant medicine have for the last several years agitated for a more liberal organ-procuring license. These proposals generally come in two forms: either that death should be redefined to include a diagnosis of permanent unconsciousness or that the “dead donor rule” itself should be rescinded to permit living patients to be harvested even though doing so would directly cause their deaths.
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The case of Terri Shindler Schiavo is referred to as an example of what could happen when the criteria for “brain-dead” is expanded.

discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2261
 
Canada is considering changing the rules for organ donation. lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05091604.html
The recommendation, by the Canadian Council for Donation and Transplantation, would have Canada join other countries that are expanding the limits of “ethics” in organ transplants. Dr. Michael DeVita, a critical care physician at UPMC Presbyterian Hospital in Pittsburgh, quoted in today’s National Post, says, “It gets worse when you’re going to withdraw life support and then procure organs. People get more and more concerned that you’re going to be caring for people who are dying inappropriately just to get at their organs.”
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The autopsy report on Terri convinced me she was capable of feeling pain. Furthermore, a friend told me how she woke up during abdominal surgery and felt the pain of the surgeon’s knife. Some doctors may not care if a severely brain-damaged person is still capable of feeling pain, as was so evident during the Terri debate, because they do not consider the patient as human. (Just a vegetable using valuable resources) As the dark underbelly of our bio-ethical system has been exposed, in all its hideousness, a number of questions have now surfaced. Is there a protocol for alleviating pain of the dying donor in case he is still sentient at the time of organ removal?
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
We are in a very dangerous time. People are looked upon as commodities and will be used for spare parts if things do not change!:mad: :eek: :banghead:
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This is true - I’ve heard objections from people in the Church that state there is concern about people being declared dead too hastily in order to retrieve organs. There is also a possibility of the body being treated without dignity in order to keep organs alive after the person donating has expired.

catholiceducation.org/articles/medical_ethics/me0019.html

"The true purpose of an organ donor is to be “[a] particularly praiseworthy example [of the Gospel] of Life.” However, organ donation in today’s culture is misconstrued by those who support the “culture of death.” With the recent opinion noted by the AMA, the door is now open for the medical profession to “play God” in yet another way. Allowing the removal of necessary organs from persons in persistent vegetative state and patients with severely disabling conditions violates the natural right to life. If the person killed has not given consent, he is not morally liable for the act, but those giving the consent and performing the acts are.

In order to protect their own life and promote the Gospel of Life for all, organ donors and those who survive them have a grave responsibility to practice and promote the moral teachings of the Church. If you are a card-carrying organ donor or in charge of deciding whether someone’s organs ought to be donated or removed, beware! Organ donation is justifiable on the principle of fraternal charity, but within the limits of the principle of totality. Within these limits, organ donation can witness to the Gospel of Life. Last edited: 12/00"
 
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JimG:
The problem is not so much consent to organ donation as the definition of death.

The Church says organ donation is OK after you’re dead.

Who defines death?

Dead organs are of no use to anybody.
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The moral dilemma I have with organ donation is that even though your brain is dead, your heart is still beating when they remove your organs. That means you are still alive. It is this act of organ removal which ultimately kills you.

So, is removal of organs morally ethical?

I, for one, have not signed an organ donor card, and I do not believe that people who have not expressd their wishes in this matter should automatically become organ donors at the governments pleasure. Wouldn’t that be moving towards a totalitarian society?
 
Is there a protocol for alleviating pain of the dying donor in case he is still sentient at the time of organ removal?
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They don’t use anaesthetic because the ‘dying donor’ has been declared legally dead. Dead people can’t feel pain and so, therefore, don’t require pain relief.

To get around the problem of these ‘dead’ donors reacting spasmodically when they are cut open, a paralysing drug is used so they can’t move. It used to be so terribly upsetting for the surgeons when that happened.

This is why abortionists don’t want to give anaesthetising drugs before late term abortions…because they would then have to admit the fetus is alive.

Doesn’t it make you sick?
 
This whole scenario is beginning to sound like the modern version of that age-old fear about being buried alive. Apparently, some people would rig their coffins with a bell on the outide of the casket so they could ring it in the event they woke-up from a near death experience.
 
“Organ transplantation is linked to the notion of ‘brain death.’ As a matter of fact, supporters of ‘brain death’ as a criterion for declaring a patient dead readily admit that one of its main purposes is to aid in the harvesting of organs.”

“Under the ‘brain death’ criterion, the patient is declared ‘brain dead’ while his or her vital organs are still functioning. The patient is paralyzed but not given anything for pain. An incision is then made, and the beating heart and other organs are removed for harvesting.”

“As patients are declared ‘brain dead’ and their organs are removed while vital bodily functions continue, serious questions and concerns arise. Is the donor really dead? More and more ethicists and physicians are taking a new look at the notion of ‘brain death’ and its deadly ramifications. Even so, efforts to increase the supply of vital organs for transplant continue to expand in ethically and morally questionable ways. Attempts have been made to take vital organs from babies born with an abnormality of the brain known as anencephaly and from others who do not fulfill even the flawed ‘brain death’ criterion.”

Quoted from: all.org/issues/eol06.htm
 
originally posted by Lisa4Catholics: Please find a link for this, this could be very abused:eek:
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I did go back to the Globe and Mail website and that article which had been in the newspaper was not available online without a subscription. The Globe and Mail has a reputation in Canada for promoting the culture of death: i.e., strong supporter of infamous abortionist, Dr. Henry Morgentaler.

I emailed LifeSiteNews about it but they didn’t seem interested enough to post the story.

On a side note, there seems to be a push in Canada for the sick to die as soon as possible. The palliative care unit at our local hospital is being closed; this after the hospice was already closed a couple of years ago.
 
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