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I’ve noticed that from time to time different posters quote or refer to what Origen wrote. I’m curious because my understanding is that he was condemned as a heretic by the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D.
If that is true then what value should anyone place on any of his writings?
 
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He was later declared a heretic on such things as the nature of relationship of Father to Son, also his “universalism” that all beings would be saved (including Satan and demons, etc).

The value of Origen is that he wrote early (early 3rd century), and contributed many many writings including biblical commentaries, and an early systematic theology, etc. William Jurgens writes on Origen:

“The disputes known as the Origenist controversies, in respect to the orthodoxy of his doctrine, arose never during his life, but three times after his death: c. A.D. 300, c. A.D. 400, and c. A.D. 550. He was a great scholar and a great theologian, and strove always to be Catholic in his faith. Yet, he came finally to be regarded as a heretic, which accounts largely for the fact that so many of his writings have perished entirely…It is generally stated that Origen’s heresies are nowhere clearer than in his work on ‘The Fundamental Doctrines’ [De principiis]. Nevertheless, it should be noted that he is generally very careful to distinguish between Catholic doctrine and his own speculations, which latter he presents as no more than possibilities which would have to stand the test of acceptance or rejection in the teaching Church. The work undoubtedly suffers from an overly active Platonic influence, and from allegorical interpretation of Scripture; yet, it stands firmly and immovably and without pretence as neither more nor less than a theological monument of absolutely epic proportions.” (Jurgens, Faith of the Early Fathers, volume 1, p. 189-190)

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He was a very important figure in the early Church. The fact that some of his ideas were later considered heretical does not change that.

Has it ever crossed your mind that if Catholics ignore early Christians of whose views they disapprove, then the Catholic appeal to early Christianity will be compromised?

Furthermore, Origen was never condemned in his lifetime. His posthumous condemnation was bad form and has always been controversial. You can’t really condemn a person after his death, because condemnation of a person as a heretic must always go along with the chance to recant. You can’t be a heretic until someone has pointed it out to you and you have resisted the admonition. At least that’s my understanding. Simply being wrong doesn’t make you a heretic.

Some of Origen’s ideas may have been heretical, but he himself was not. He put forward his questionable ideas as tentative theories, and he had no other desire than to remain a faithful son of the Church. I don’t think any Origen scholar would question this.

Several great Catholic scholars of the 20th century have studied Origen very appreciatively–including Jean Danielou and Henri de Lubac.

Edwin
 
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thistle:
I’ve noticed that from time to time different posters quote or refer to what Origen wrote. I’m curious because my understanding is that he was condemned as a heretic by the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D.
If that is true then what value should anyone place on any of his writings?
Don’t commit the genetic fallacy. If he later fell away from the true faith, it does not negate the value of his faithful writings.

If Karl Keating decided to embrace polytheism tomorrow, it wouldn’t mean that his orthodox books aren’t good stuff.
 
So what you are all saying is that most of his writings are of great value and worth reading. Which of his writings should I avoid or should I in fact read everything?
 
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DeFide:
Don’t commit the genetic fallacy. If he later fell away from the true faith, it does not negate the value of his faithful writings.

If Karl Keating decided to embrace polytheism tomorrow, it wouldn’t mean that his orthodox books aren’t good stuff.
I think you might be confusing Origen with Tertullian who once was orthodox, but became a full blown heretic.
 
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