Origin of Images

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Hi.
I just want to ask about the history of the images of Our Lord Jesus Christ and other Sacred Images. How have they become like what we have now?

I have a Catholic friend who is thinking of being converted to be a “Born Again” Christian.
I don’t know how to explain to her.

Please help. I don’t want her to leave the Catholic Church :(.
Thank you.
 
With regard to images,…because the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, our Lord Jesus Christ incarnated for our sake and is 100% Divine and 100% human, there began to be images made of his likeness.

We most likely do not have all the history correct, but the image on the shroud and other images appear to have a likeness that was copied by painters.

It sounds like your friend is either listening to another “born-again Christian” giving the usual misunderstandings about what Catholics believe, or she may be reading an anti-Catholic site online, and needs to hear the rebuttals for that.

Right here on Catholic Answers Forum some responses can be forthcoming.
 
The early church (Second Council of Nicaea) of course concluded favorably on the use of religious imagery (iconography), but that will not likely be an effective response in this case.

That said, some of the basic theory as to why may in fact be helpful. However, one needs to believe that Christ was indeed both human and divine in order to accept this explanation.

If we were not meant to see the divine, the Plan of Salvation realized in Christ would not have been possible. As Christ appeared in the flesh, we were blessed to see and know God through our own human experience, including the sensory.

Just think of how much imagery of and from the life of Christ we may have if he had appeared in this day and age …
 
Exodus 20:4 says, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;”
God’s word is clear. Any argument against that is against God’s word.
 
Exodus 20:4 says, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;”
God’s word is clear. Any argument against that is against God’s word.
Exodus 25:19 says: “And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.”

Oh my, the word of God is against the word of God 🤷

Please read this.
 
Exodus 20:4 says, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;”
God’s word is clear. Any argument against that is against God’s word.
So you are against family pictures? What about statues of George Washington? Are you saying cameras are instruments of the devil?
 
Exodus 20:5 goes on to say, “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God…” The context is that you’re not making for yourself another god that you bow down to. Not even the image of what you think God looks like. Nowhere does God instruct anyone to bow down to the cherubs over the mercy seat. Taken out of context anyone can make anything contradict itself. In the context in which it is written, considering the grammatical and historical style as well as the author’s intended meaning of the passage the bible does not contradict itself.
 
Since I don’t bow down to family pictures or George Washington I would have to say no. I would say, however, I am against images of Jesus because they could put a false image into someone’s head of what God really looks like. We don’t really know what Jesus looked like.
 
Exodus 20:5 goes on to say, “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God…” The context is that you’re not making for yourself another god that you bow down to. Not even the image of what you think God looks like. Nowhere does God instruct anyone to bow down to the cherubs over the mercy seat. Taken out of context anyone can make anything contradict itself. In the context in which it is written, considering the grammatical and historical style as well as the author’s intended meaning of the passage the bible does not contradict itself.
Well obviously. Worshiping a statue is silly and against God’s commandments. The Catholic Church uses images and statues to help raise the mind to the things of God, much like you may use photographs of your loved ones to remind you of them and how much they mean to you.
 
Exodus 20:5 goes on to say, “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God…” The context is that you’re not making for yourself another god that you bow down to.
Indeed. Who’s making himself another god?
 
Since I don’t bow down to family pictures or George Washington I would have to say no. I would say, however, I am against images of Jesus because they could put a false image into someone’s head of what God really looks like. We don’t really know what Jesus looked like.
The image of Christ with the long hair and beard is based on the Shroud of Turin, which Catholics believe is the shroud which wrapped Christ’s body after His crucifixion and before His resurrection. Here is an image of it:

http://breakallsite.tk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Shroud.jpg
 
Exodus 20:5 goes on to say, “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God…” The context is that you’re not making for yourself another god that you bow down to. Not even the image of what you think God looks like. Nowhere does God instruct anyone to bow down to the cherubs over the mercy seat. Taken out of context anyone can make anything contradict itself. In the context in which it is written, considering the grammatical and historical style as well as the author’s intended meaning of the passage the bible does not contradict itself.
You are correct that God commanded that these things or images (the tabernacle, the ark of the covenant, other items like chalices, lampstands) they be built and He gave very detailed instructions to what He wanted and that God commanded that these images not be worshipped but they were to be used to worship Him, the One, True God.

All images or even statues of saints or even the cross that perhaps you wear around your neck or that is in your your Protestant church or the crucifix that you wear around your neck or that is in your Catholic church are to lead us to God. They help us remember and bring our visual senses to God to worship Him not to worship the object.

God knows that we are material people. He made us out of matter and He knows that we respond to material things. Some even worship material things. But that is not what God intended when He commanded sacred objects to be made. He knows how forgetful we are and without images that He commands, we would forget. Remember the Church came before the actual written Bible that you hold in your hands when you read His Word. The Gospels were proclaimed not from written pages but from the mouths of the first Apostles by oral tradition and by the practice of Sacred Tradition.

The Rosary is a good example of how some Protestants think we are worshipping Mary by praying the Rosary. The Rosary is all about Jesus. And, remember, without Mary saying yes to God, we would not have Jesus. She was the vessal that God chose to use to bring about his plan of salvation for all of us.

Jesus came to save not to condemn.
 
Exodus 20:4 says, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;”
God’s word is clear. Any argument against that is against God’s word.
I love born again and Bible only people… correct me if I am wrong… did God say no images?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Exodus 20:5 goes on to say, “You shall not worship them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God…” The context is that you’re not making for yourself another god that you bow down to. Not even the image of what you think God looks like. Nowhere does God instruct anyone to bow down to the cherubs over the mercy seat. Taken out of context anyone can make anything contradict itself. In the context in which it is written, considering the grammatical and historical style as well as the author’s intended meaning of the passage the bible does not contradict itself.
Exactly!

It is the worshiping and placing them as a god!

You hold your family in esteem don’t you?

…you, most probably, have pictures of your family, pet/s, friends, car…

…you dress yourself with a certain thought as to the “image” you will project… even your behavior is conductive as to what you want to impress upon others… the second any one of those imageries supplants Yahweh God as your most important value… you, my friend, are an idol worshiper!

…ever thought why non-Catholic Christians believe that sola Scriptura is correct?

…they base their belief on the image of a man who rebelled against Christ’s only founded Church… he made himself a god determining that he knew more than the Church Christ Built and that it was he who determined when and where the Holy Spirit existed–ditto all those who continue to live the dream of ‘Catholic Church took over the Christian Church and bested it–till the protestants rescued the Holy Spirit and reformed Christ’s Church in their image!’

…sorry for the explosive post… I am not usually this confrontative… just wanted to prove a point about “images!”

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Since I don’t bow down to family pictures or George Washington I would have to say no. I would say, however, I am against images of Jesus because they could put a false image into someone’s head of what God really looks like. We don’t really know what Jesus looked like.
…please understand that Catholics do not worship images… the fact that you do not worship them, even if they are your own family members, says much about your understanding of idol worship!

But it is not merely a physical image/picture/statue that can lead people to idol worship… it is this separation from idolatry and images that Catholics seem to understand while non-Catholics seem to drawn in…

…ever notice how pridefully non-Catholics speak against Catholics? …ever study the history of the US and found any laws established to forbid any religious group from practicing or ever found a tidbit about any one other than a Catholic not being a patriot because of his/her Faith? …just recently it was announced that, in England, Catholics will no longer be excluded from seeking to hold office… one more: have you heard about the second agenda of the abolishionists?

Pride, my friend, is an idol. Blasting my Faith in Christ because I hold an image depicting Jesus on the mount of Olives is, at best, a childish understanding of idolatry…

St. Paul did not carry a medal or crucifix (that we know of) but he went about boasting of the image of Christ on the Cross! (Something that is detestable to many forward thinking “Christians.”)

Image is everything!

Idolatry is not merely a physical imagery!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi.
I just want to ask about the history of the images of Our Lord Jesus Christ and other Sacred Images. How have they become like what we have now?

I have a Catholic friend who is thinking of being converted to be a “Born Again” Christian.
I don’t know how to explain to her.

Please help. I don’t want her to leave the Catholic Church :(.
Thank you.
Hi!

Here’s a quick study:
The Roman Catholic and particularly the Orthodox Churches cite St. John of Damascus’ work “On the Divine Image” to defend the use of icons. He wrote in direct response to the Byzantine iconoclasm that began in the eighth century by the Byzantine emperor Leo III and continued by his successor Constantine V. St. John maintains that depicting the invisible God is indeed wrong, but he argues that the incarnation, where “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14), indicates that the invisible God became visible, and as a result it is permissible to depict Jesus Christ. He argues: “When He who is bodiless and without form… existing in the form of God, empties Himself and takes the form of a servant in substance and in stature and is found in a body of flesh, then you draw His image…”

He also observes that in the Old Testament, images and statues were not absolutely condemned in themselves: examples include the images of cherubim over the Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:18-22) which God instructed Moses to make, the embroidered figures of cherubim angels which God told Moses to make on the curtain which separated the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle tent (Exodus 26:31), or the bronze serpent mentioned in the book of Numbers.
…your friend is ignorant of her Catholic Faith, yet wants to join another group because they reject her Faith?

…talk about confucius… No matter what you do, you cannot prevent her from leaving the Body of Christ if she is intent in doing so… sadly, many people think that they can reason with others so that they may change their personal belief… only the Holy Spirit can convict your friend about the Truth… the best you can do is pray for her… I’ve known a few “Catholics” that have embraced everything any other religious group has offered them… they are fully content in being anything but Catholic… it can’t be helped…it’s the old “grass greener” thing…

Consider this: how involved is she in her local parish (Bible study, choir, community outreach, prayer group, Eucharistic Ministry, youth/adult group…); is she seeking a better understanding of the Body of Christ or a “feel-good” place?

The Church does not worship images… so your friend must look for another excuse why she wants to leave the Body of Christ in search of Christ!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Exodus 20:4 says, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image - any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;”
God’s word is clear. Any argument against that is against God’s word.
Then explain to me why God commanded that on the Ark of the Covenant that there be made 2 images of Cherubim on the top? Are Cherubim not not in heaven above?
 
Orthodox Israelite Yahwism seems to have been an aniconic religion (i.e. they did not directly portray their God but used symbols to mark His presence, for example the cherubs on the Ark), which by itself is not unique (a few of their neighbors seem to have aniconic tendencies as well). What set the Israelites apart was the active ban against direct portrayal of the divine.

The Israelites did not develop a unique art-style of their own or contribute anything of great importance or originality in the realm of arts and crafts, being content to borrow and adapt from their Levantine neighbors. The proscription in Exodus against making “carved idols” (pesel, traditionally “graven images”; also cf. Deuteronomy 5:8), may have discouraged creativity in this area. Nonetheless, images did exist throughout the history of Israel until the postexilic period: for instance, Gideon fashions an ephod of gold (Judges 8:27) and Micah’s mother contributed silver for the making of an idol (pesel) in Judges 17:3. The Tabernacle and the Temple of Solomon themselves were, on the face of it, a direct contravention of the literal understanding of the commandment, yet the Biblical authors did not denounce them.

The prohibition in Exodus was not so much against the act of making of images themselves but against idolatry (i.e. making an image in the purpose of worshipping it) to which the art could lead. The Israelites did, in fact, fashion images, which the prophets regarded, in a concept unique to Israel, as “idols” (cf. Isaiah 30:22; Hosea 13:2).

We now need to qualify this prohibition against images. Obviously, cherubim, serpents, lions, oxen, humans, and other images of ‘nature’ and ‘mythology’ were at times exempt from the ban - and it would seem that the prohibition of representations was less rigid in the preexilic period compared to later periods. What seems to be forbidden is more often than not the depiction of the Deity Himself. We have as possible extant examples of such both the winged sun-disc symbol above the bull-calf on the top tier of the Ta’anach cult stand and the winged disc/beetle symbol on the seal impressionslmlk on the handles of royal Judahite storage jars.

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Here we come to one of the unique features of ancient Israelite worship of Yhwh - its aniconic character. For example, in one of the most important artifacts of Israelite religion, the Ark of the Covenant, a direct representation of Yhwh is absent: His invisible presence is only indicated by His heavenly mounts, the two cherubim.

The absence of images of the deity and the concomitant prohibition against the representation of the divine in any form is anomalous in the ANE. The creation and use of images in the cultus was at that time commonplace for the religions of that time and place. For the most part in Israel, they were not present and were officially inveighed against.

The close tie between the command against pesalim and the prior ban against worshipping other gods in the Decalogue suggests that the veto of images was directed toward any image that may be construed as an idol or cult artifact of another deity. The elaboration of this command in Deuteronomy 4:16-19 confirms that the commandment had in mind the ‘other gods’ of the previous one as at least the eventual understanding of this prohibition. Indeed the comprehensiveness of these formulations tended to make any kind of image, whether for purposes of worship or not, questionable.

We now need to distinguish between aniconism and iconoclasm, which might help clarify the issue of graven images. Aniconic cults are usually defined as those where there are no iconic representations of the deity (anthropomorphic or theriomorphic) serving as the dominant central or cultic symbol, while iconoclasm is the active, religiously motivated hatred of images, that is, the injunction against making or venerating images within a given religion, as well as the damaging and demolition of images of another religion. We can divide aniconism itself into two categories: (1) de facto aniconism, a more fairly tolerant form, and (2) programmatic aniconism, which moves toward a rigorous iconoclasm but which developed out of the aniconic tendency of an earlier time.
 
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