Origin of Muslim teaching about images of Mohommed

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Muslims get very agitated when someone creates an image of either Allah or Mohammad.

OK, I get the first one. But where did the teaching about Mohammad come from? I don’t think Mohammad himself taught it. So who first taught it, and by what authority does he teach?
 
DavidFilmer said:
Muslims get very agitated when someone creates an image of either Allah or Mohammad.

OK, I get the first one. But where did the teaching about Mohammad come from? I don’t think Mohammad himself taught it. So who first taught it, and by what authority does he teach?
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I think they are worried that the image would accidentally lead them to worship it as a god.
and so they incorporated this rule by their own doing.
 
NoSurrender said:
I think they are worried that the image would accidentally lead them to worship it as a god.
and so they incorporated this rule by their own doing.
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I’d like to ask also whether the crescent moon symbol was ever mentioned in the Qur’an? The former is on every Mosque.

MJ
 
I am surprised they have managed to refrain worshipping it.
 
NoSurrender said:
I think they are worried that the image would accidentally lead them to worship it as a god.
and so they incorporated this rule by their own doing.
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Yeah, I figured that part. But WHO came up with the idea, and by what authority does he teach it?

I believe it is a capital crime to break this rule. That’s a pretty severe rule if you can get yourself killed for breaking it. So, by what authority does Isalm teach this rule?
 
DavidFilmer said:
Yeah, I figured that part. But WHO came up with the idea, and by what authority does he teach it?

I believe it is a capital crime to break this rule. That’s a pretty severe rule if you can get yourself killed for breaking it. So, by what authority does Isalm teach this rule?
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That I do not know.
But presumably as their religion is not of God and then like many other protestant denominations such as Mormonism where Joseph smith made his own religion then I conclude that somewhere along the history of their religion someone made it up.
 
I would also like to know their thinking on this. It was always my impression that Muslims prohibited all images, and it struck me that the common crescent moon symbol seems to be a contradiction of this.

Surah 34:12-13 says that God commanded the Jinn to work on behalf of Solomon to make images for him: “And to Solomon We made the Wind obedient: Its early morning stride was a month’s journey, and its evening stride was a month’s journey; and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire. They worked for him as he desired, making arches, images, basins as large as reservoirs, and cooking cauldrons fixed in their places.” That seems to suggest that there should be no ban on images in Islam, but I always thought there was. How do they reconcile that?
 
dmar198 said:
I would also like to know their thinking on this. It was always my impression that Muslims prohibited all images, and it struck me that the common crescent moon symbol seems to be a contradiction of this.

Surah 34:12-13 says that God commanded the Jinn to work on behalf of Solomon to make images for him: “And to Solomon We made the Wind obedient: Its early morning stride was a month’s journey, and its evening stride was a month’s journey; and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire. They worked for him as he desired, making arches, images, basins as large as reservoirs, and cooking cauldrons fixed in their places.” That seems to suggest that there should be no ban on images in Islam, but I always thought there was. How do they reconcile that?
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Yes it is a grave contradiction.
Perhaps they doubt in their ability to refrain from worshipping statues, Idols and Images.
So if their book was written and inspired by god, then why do they contradict so obviously that verse.
 
dmar198 said:
I would also like to know their thinking on this. It was always my impression that Muslims prohibited all images, and it struck me that the common crescent moon symbol seems to be a contradiction of this.

Surah 34:12-13 says that God commanded the Jinn to work on behalf of Solomon to make images for him: “And to Solomon We made the Wind obedient: Its early morning stride was a month’s journey, and its evening stride was a month’s journey; and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire. They worked for him as he desired, making arches, images, basins as large as reservoirs, and cooking cauldrons fixed in their places.” That seems to suggest that there should be no ban on images in Islam, but I always thought there was. How do they reconcile that?
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we’re not allowed to draw animate pictures
 
There are Hadiths avoid from images. There are permission to paint a picture when it is needed, necessary, required. But to admire and honour something painting is not allowed. And paint alive figures at entire is not allowed but half of figure is allowed. Because animate a alive is only belong to Allah. Does anyone else can animate? İslam is so accurate to avoid to fabricate partner at state of God. Than attention when you say God is three!

Hadiths are reveal or permission of God to prophet Muhammed. Prophet can not order or bar something without permission of God.
 
Creating images, pictures, or photos in Islam is prohibited per Muhammad claim that on the resurrection day, the owners of those pictures will be told to give life for what they have created, plus the Angels will not enter a house which has pictures in it.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 110:
"Narrated Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I bought a cushion having on it pictures (of animals). When Allah’s Apostle saw it, he stood at the door and did not enter. I noticed the sign of disapproval on his face and said, "O Allah’s Apostle! I repent to Allah and His Apostle. What sin have I committed?’ Allah’s Apostle said. “What is this cushion?” I said, “I have bought it for you so that you may sit on it and recline on it.” Allah’s Apostle said, “The makers of these pictures will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and it will be said to them, ‘Give life to what you have created (i.e., these pictures).’ " The Prophet added, “The Angels of (Mercy) do not enter a house in which there are pictures (of animals).””
 
There is Islamic art that exists and depicts Muhammad. [Try Google Images]

As for images of ‘Allah’, well ‘In Islam, shirk (Arabic: شرك‎ širk) is the sin of idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything other than the singular God (Allah), or more literally the establishment of “partners” placed beside God.’

Given that the Ka’aba was originally stuffed full of pagan/graven imagery I can understand Muhammad’s ‘paranoia’ about such things - even if I also think he over reacted.

Muslims feel that Christians commit ‘shirk’ when they refer to Jesus as both God and Man, and when they refer to The Trinity. They do not comprehend or accept ‘natures’ within the One God. They also do not understand that in Jesus there can be a duality and harmony of God and Man. As for depictions, they feel they are somehow a threat or insult to His uniqueness and infinite/eternal nature. I can in part understand their ‘concern’ by just thumbing through the so-called ‘Satanic Verses’ and some of the accounts in the Hadiths and Tabari. They are also concerned that simple minds may confuse imagery and representation with the real thing - which again, in part I can empathise with.
 
expounder said:
we’re not allowed to draw animate pictures
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What about photographs? Of your children, or family. Are these allowed? Photography is a medium, like drawing or painting. And then there are television and cinema. Are you allowed to create and view tv programs and movies? These are “animate objects” preserved by modern media.
There are movies about Mohamed made by Muslims. Aren’t those images?
 
There is **NOT **a single verse in the Quran forbidding pictures of people/animal/ etc…
 
jakasaki said:
There is **NOT **a single verse in the Quran forbidding pictures of people/animal/ etc…
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Chapter 21, verses 52-57: “We formerly bestowed guidance on Abraham, for we knew him well. He said to his father and to his people: ‘what are these images to which you are so devoted?’ They replied: ‘They are the gods our fathers worshipped.’ He said: ‘Then you and your fathers have surely been in evident error.’ ‘Is it the truth that you are preaching,’ they asked, ‘or is this but a jest?’ ‘Indeed,’ he answered,’ your lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. It was He that made them: to this I bear witness. By the Lord, I will overthrow your idols as soon as you have turned your backs.’ He broke them in pieces, except their supreme god, so that they might return to him.’”

Chapter 42, verse 11: “Creator of the heavens and the earth, he has given you spouses from among yourselves, and cattle male and female; by this means He multiplies His creatures. Nothing can be compared with Him. He alone hears all and sees all.”

The prohibition on idolatry isn’t original to the Koran so much as a restatement of Old and New Testament teachings. But prohibition on idolatry isn’t an outright prohibition on images, whether of God, Muhammad or others. It merely opens the door to interpretation as prohibition. Therefore we use the Hadith, which clearly says that animated pictures are not allowed.
 
Chapter 21, verses 52-57: “We formerly bestowed guidance on Abraham, for we knew him well. He said to his father and to his people: ‘what are these images to which you are so devoted?’ They replied: ‘They are the gods our fathers worshipped.’ He said: ‘Then you and your fathers have surely been in evident error.’ ‘Is it the truth that you are preaching,’ they asked, ‘or is this but a jest?’ ‘Indeed,’ he answered,’ your lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. It was He that made them: to this I bear witness. By the Lord, I will overthrow your idols as soon as you have turned your backs.’** He broke them in pieces, **except their supreme god, so that they might return to him.’”

If he broke them into pieces, then they were NOT “pictures:”
 
…"except their supreme god, so that they might return to him.’”

Why break all of the idols except “their supreme god”…
 
GaryTaylor said:
Was it tradition though? Or a reason to see difference and argue?
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I don’t know Gary.

Often we are told the Quran is the source of Islam.

Then we are told, hey, if it’s not in the quran, let’s look at the hadiths.

Then we are told, if it’s not in the quran or the hadiths, lets look at the sunna of the prophet.
 
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