Original sin and Baptism CCC

[simpleas]

CCC 405 :

Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin — an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

On the effects of Baptism, paragraph 978 says:

"When we made our first profession of faith while receiving the holy Baptism that cleansed us, the forgiveness we received then was so full and complete that there remained in us absolutely nothing left to efface, neither original sin nor offenses committed by our own will, nor was there left any penalty to suffer in order to expiate them. … Yet the grace of Baptism delivers no one from all the weakness of nature. On the contrary, we must still combat the movements of concupiscence that never cease leading us into evil "

Baptism erases original sin, yet original sin is passed on from generation to generation. I thought that the original sin of Adam was washed away at baptism, but if it is continued through procreation then it isn’t.

Baptism is for the forgiveness of O.S and personal sins, yet as it states Baptism delivers no one from the weakness of nature.

So why does it state that baptism erases original sin? If original sin is not erased then there is no new creation in Christ, we are still of the old creation, the Adam and Eve creation that broke their relationship with God by falling to their human nature and sinning.
I know we need to remain in grace after baptism, I just don’t understand what O.S is from Adam and Eve to us now.

 

[dmar198]

CCC 405 :

Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin — an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

On the effects of Baptism, paragraph 978 says:

"When we made our first profession of faith while receiving the holy Baptism that cleansed us, the forgiveness we received then was so full and complete that there remained in us absolutely nothing left to efface, neither original sin nor offenses committed by our own will, nor was there left any penalty to suffer in order to expiate them. … Yet the grace of Baptism delivers no one from all the weakness of nature. On the contrary, we must still combat the movements of concupiscence that never cease leading us into evil "

Baptism erases original sin, yet original sin is passed on from generation to generation. I thought that the original sin of Adam was washed away at baptism, but if it is continued through procreation then it isn’t.

Baptism is for the forgiveness of O.S and personal sins, yet as it states Baptism delivers no one from the weakness of nature.

So why does it state that baptism erases original sin? If original sin is not erased then there is no new creation in Christ, we are still of the old creation, the Adam and Eve creation that broke their relationship with God by falling to their human nature and sinning.
I know we need to remain in grace after baptism, I just don’t understand what O.S is from Adam and Eve to us now.

The original sin consists of a nature (1) inclined toward sin, (2) headed toward death, and (3) lacking in holiness. Only the last part is sinful in each person, and only that part of original sin is washed away in baptism.

hope that helps.

 

[simpleas]

The original sin consists of a nature (1) inclined toward sin, (2) headed toward death, and (3) lacking in holiness. Only the last part is sinful in each person, and only that part of original sin is washed away in baptism.

hope that helps.

Thanks, not really getting it yet.

 

[twf]

In baptism, in the words of Scripture, we “put on Christ” (Gal 3:27). In our Latin tradition we refer to this as sanctifying grace. Original sin primarily means that each of us are conceived separated from God’s divine life…it is primarily the lack of something rather than a thing in its own right. Through the sacraments we come to share in the divine life of the Trinity, but the effects of original sin, our inclination towards sin, remains.

 

[simpleas]

In baptism, in the words of Scripture, we “put on Christ” (Gal 3:27). In our Latin tradition we refer to this as sanctifying grace. Original sin primarily means that each of us are conceived separated from God’s divine life…it is primarily the lack of something rather than a thing in its own right. Through the sacraments we come to share in the divine life of the Trinity, but the effects of original sin, our inclination towards sin, remains.

Ok thanks, but the CCC refers to the original sin as being erased, so I don’t understand how it is passed again from human to human. Each person born is born with the original sin Adam committed, if it in a supernatural way is “removed” then it wouldn’t be passed down the line of generations.

 

[twf]

Ok thanks, but the CCC refers to the original sin as being erased, so I don’t understand how it is passed again from human to human. Each person born is born with the original sin Adam committed, if it in a supernatural way is “removed” then it wouldn’t be passed down the line of generations.

I don’t think you can see it as being transmitted from person to person in a literal sense. Rather, as sons of Adam in his line of descent, each of us is conceived separated from God (in a state of original sin). This is the natural condition of all humans when they are conceived regardless of the state of their parents (who very well may be in a state of sanctifying grace). The consequences of Adam’s sin are passed to each of us as his descendants, but there isn’t a “substance” being literally transmitted from father to son.

 

[Vico]

Ok thanks, but the CCC refers to the original sin as being erased, so I don’t understand how it is passed again from human to human. Each person born is born with the original sin Adam committed, if it in a supernatural way is “removed” then it wouldn’t be passed down the line of generations.

It does not mean that Adam’s personal sin, called original sin, is erased for mankind, only for an individual through grace, but the fallen nature remains.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.
405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.