Original Sin verse Actual Sin - Quick Question

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Cain who killed Able, first murder of Mankind. All sin goes back to Adam in Christianity and is called original sin. The first murder is the result of the original sin of Adam, but also is Cain’s actual sin. But if Baptism wipes out original sin for a Christian / Catholic, assuming Cain (or a current day Catholic is baptised) is their murder original sin and or only actual sin? Thanks!
 
The original sin was “committed” only by Adam and Eve.

We are all effected by it of course.
 
So if baptized, then we only are commiting actual sin, since original sin is wiped out? If not baptized, we are committing both actual and original sin every time we sin?
 
GodHeals said:
So if baptized, then we only are commiting actual sin, since original sin is wiped out? If not baptized, we are committing both actual and original sin every time we sin?
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no.

WE only can commit actual sin. Original sin was only committed by Adam and Eve.

It “effects us” but we do not “commit it”
 
So I guess how does it effect us? What does infant baptism do to remove it? That is what it does, remove it, right? And if not removed, what is the difference as far as sins committed? Maybe i am asking the wrong questions.

I am trying to understand as i am talking with people who are Muslim. Thanks!
 
Here this can be of help:

Compendium issued by Pope Benedict XVI
  1. What is original sin?
404
419

Original sin, in which all human beings are born, is the state of deprivation of original holiness and justice. It is a sin “contracted” by us not “committed”; it is a state of birth and not a personal act. Because of the original unity of all human beings, it is transmitted to the descendants of Adam “not by imitation, but by propagation”. This transmission remains a mystery which we cannot fully understand.
  1. What other consequences derive from original sin?
405-409
418

In consequence of original sin human nature, without being totally corrupted, is wounded in its natural powers. It is subject to ignorance, to suffering, and to the dominion of death and is inclined toward sin. This inclination is called concupiscence.
  1. Why does the Church baptize infants?
1250

The Church baptizes infants because they are born with original sin. They need to be freed from the power of the Evil One and brought into that realm of freedom which belongs to the children of God.
  1. What are the effects of Baptism?
1262-1274
1279-1280

Baptism takes away original sin, all personal sins and all punishment due to sin. It makes the baptized person a participant in the divine life of the Trinity through sanctifying grace, the grace of justification which incorporates one into Christ and into his Church. It gives one a share in the priesthood of Christ and provides the basis for communion with all Christians. It bestows the theological virtues and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. A baptized person belongs forever to Christ. He is marked with the indelible seal of Christ (character).
 
More:
  1. What is sin?
1849-1851
1871-1872

Sin is “a word, an act, or a desire contrary to the eternal Law” (Saint Augustine). It is an offense against God in disobedience to his love. It wounds human nature and injures human solidarity. Christ in his passion fully revealed the seriousness of sin and overcame it with his mercy.
  1. Is there a variety of sins?
1852-1853
1873

There are a great many kinds of sins. They can be distinguished according to their object or according to the virtues or commandments which they violate. They can directly concern God, neighbor, or ourselves. They can also be divided into sins of thought, of word, of deed, or of omission.
  1. How are sins distinguished according to their gravity?
1854

A distinction is made between mortal and venial sin.
  1. When does one commit a mortal sin?
1855-1861
1874

One commits a mortal sin when there are simultaneously present: grave matter, full knowledge, and deliberate consent. This sin destroys charity in us, deprives us of sanctifying grace, and, if unrepented, leads us to the eternal death of hell. It can be forgiven in the ordinary way by means of the sacraments of Baptism and of Penance or Reconciliation.
  1. When does one commit a venial sin?
1862-1864
1875

One commits a venial sin, which is essentially different from a mortal sin, when the matter involved is less serious or, even if it is grave, when full knowledge or complete consent are absent. Venial sin does not break the covenant with God but it weakens charity and manifests a disordered affection for created goods. It impedes the progress of a soul in the exercise of the virtues and in the practice of moral good. It merits temporal punishment which purifies.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

Get a copy at: usccbpublishing.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=701

And of course get a copy of the Catechism
 
Bookcat said:
A baptized person belongs forever to Christ. He is marked with the indelible seal of Christ (character).
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OK this goes into salvation, but if you have the Holy Spirit, you aren’t going to hell. Is the seal the Holy Spirit, which the scriptures speak of, as well? All Catholics don’t go to heaven, so how do i understand this part of the catechism?
 
Thank you for your help. And for the postings and links.
God Bless You,
Brian
 
GodHeals said:
OK this goes into salvation, but if you have the Holy Spirit, you aren’t going to hell. Is the seal the Holy Spirit, which the scriptures speak of, as well? All Catholics don’t go to heaven, so how do i understand this part of the catechism?
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Having the sphagis --the character -seal here --does not remove free will. It is possible to choose a mortal sin.

If a person commits a mortal sin they loose the life of grace…the Holy Spirit is not dwelling in them --they are no longer a “temple” of the Holy Spirit. If they repent and are restored to grace then they are again. If they do not repent and die in that state…then yes they do not go to heaven --they have chosen hell.

By a mortal sin --one no longer has the Holy Spirit (though the seal is indelible it can not be removed) until they return to grace.
 
Bookcat said:
Having the sphagis --the character -seal here --does not remove free will. It is possible to choose a mortal sin.

If a person commits a mortal sin they loose the life of grace…the Holy Spirit is not dwelling in them --they are no longer a “temple” of the Holy Spirit. If they repent and are restored to grace then they are again. If they do not repent and die in that state…then yes they do not go to heaven --they have chosen hell.

By a mortal sin --one no longer has the Holy Spirit (though the seal is indelible it can not be removed) until they return to grace.
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So the Holy Spirit can come and go in us when we mortally sin. I didn’t know that… but not sure how that fits with the seal (of the Holy Spirit) being indelible (not removable)?

What then is indelible? Maybe it is the term SEAL i am getting caught up on. SEAL to me means that it can never be removed. Maybe this is why some protestants believe once saved always saved by saying a sinners type of prayer… THANK YOU FOR THE INSIGHTS!
 
GodHeals said:
So the Holy Spirit can come and go in us when we mortally sin. I didn’t know that… but not sure how that fits with the seal (of the Holy Spirit) being indelible (not removable)?

What then is indelible? Maybe it is the term SEAL i am getting caught up on. SEAL to me means that it can never be removed. Maybe this is why some protestants believe once saved always saved by saying a sinners type of prayer… THANK YOU FOR THE INSIGHTS!
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What is indelible? The mark of our baptism. Baptism changes us from creatures of God to children of God. Once we are His children, no matter how badly we act, we can never revoke our adoption. We remain His children forever. This is the seal.
 
davidv said:
What is indelible? The mark of our baptism. Baptism changes us from creatures of God to children of God. Once we are His children, no matter how badly we act, we can never revoke our adoption. We remain His children forever. This is the seal.
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So you are advocating baptism saves forever, like once saved always saved, or similar?
 
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