Original Sin

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Is original sin made up or is it real?
If made up, what makes you believe that?
If real, what makes you believe that?
 
I absolutely believe it is real. We know from the story of Cain that Adam’s offspring, at the very least, inherited his ability to know good and evil. We see most of them choosing selfishness and evil, and we see them subject to the same curse and death that Adam himself endured. In the story of Noah, the Lord saw that every intention of the thoughts of their hearts was evil continually (Gen 6:5). That’s a really inclusive condemnation of humanity! I’ll now skip over many very important biblical passages due to the limitations of time and internet forums 🙂 and leave us in the much-debated Romans 5. I can’t escape the fact that one trespass led to condemnation for all men, and that by one man’s disobedience were many made sinners. Of course, the point of the passage is that as all were subject to sin and death due to Adam, how much more would grace reign through Jesus Christ! For me, then, Original Sin must never become a man-centered doctrine. The point of talking about Original Sin is to show us our need for a Savior from our very birth. There’s not anyone else who is born with a chance to be perfect. If so, the Law would have been sufficient for us. 👍
 
edwest2 said:
Why did Jesus have to die?

He was the last sacrifice. He took the place of animal sacrifice of the OT. So our sins may be forgiven. But did he die for original sin? Did his death take away original sin?

God bless,
Ed
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rev_kevin:
Christ did not remove Original Sin. See Romans 5:12.

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

Our sin nature stays until we die.

God bless,
Ed
 
Do you have to teach a child to lie about being sick to stay home from school?

Do you have to teach a child to disobey their parents?

Do you have to teach a child to steal?

Or do they already know how to do that?
 
edwest2 said:
Christ did not remove Original Sin. See Romans 5:12.

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

Our sin nature stays until we die.

God bless,
Ed
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rev_kevin said:
Originally Posted by edwest2
Why did Jesus have to die?

He was the last sacrifice. He took the place of animal sacrifice of the OT. So our sins may be forgiven. But did he die for original sin? Did his death take away original sin?

God bless,
Ed
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Why did He have to die? It wasn’t to replace animal sacrifice. It wasn’t to remove original sin. No His death did not remove original sin, otherwise why would have been told to baptize all in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

If Adam and Eve had not sinned, would Jesus have been sent here by the Father? Would His coming have been necessary?

What was the result of original sin? Their sin brought what into the world?

So Jesus came to conquer what???
 
Jesus died as a sacrifice so that sins could be forgiven. Mankind was told that a spiritual rebirth was needed: baptism with water and the Holy Spirit. If we sin, we have the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

According to the Bible, that Original Sin brought sin and death into the world.

Had Original Sin not occurred, man would have had bodily immortality and continued in a perfect relationship with God. There would have been no need to send Jesus.

God bless,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Jesus died as a sacrifice so that sins could be forgiven. Mankind was told that a spiritual rebirth was needed: baptism with water and the Holy Spirit. If we sin, we have the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

According to the Bible, that Original Sin brought sin and death into the world.

Had Original Sin not occurred, man would have had bodily immortality and continued in a perfect relationship with God. There would have been no need to send Jesus.

God bless,
Ed
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Yes…But Jesus had to die to conquer death. Sin brought death into being…Jesus beat death!!!
 
Adam and Eve were the first to sin. Why do we bear the burden of their sin when we did nothing wrong? Why are we punished for something someone eles did?
Its like your brother/sister did something wrong and you are punished for it even though you had nothing to do with it.
 
rev_kevin said:
Adam and Eve were the first to sin. Why do we bear the burden of their sin when we did nothing wrong? Why are we punished for something someone eles did?
Its like your brother/sister did something wrong and you are punished for it even though you had nothing to do with it.
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It is called federal headship. Adam did not just represent himself in the Garden of Eden. He represented all of mankind. Humanity operates as a community, not solely as an individual. While Adam’s sin was directly his responsibility, his sin is imputed to all of mankind, because he represented all of mankind. This is the basis of Paul’s argument in Romans 5.
 
rev_kevin said:
Its like your brother/sister did something wrong and you are punished for it even though you had nothing to do with it.
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When a mother-to-be injects drugs into her system, her innocent child will be born addicted to drugs. Sin has consequences even for the innocent.
 
Third_Day said:
When a mother-to-be injects drugs into her system, her innocent child will be born addicted to drugs. Sin has consequences even for the innocent.
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We are not talking physical, we are talking spiritual.
 
rev_kevin said:
We are not talking physical, we are talking spiritual.
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I was answering your “Physical” analogy.
Originally Posted by rev kevin
Its like your brother/sister did something wrong and you are punished for it even though you had nothing to do with it.
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TriuneUnity answered your question:
“It is called federal headship. Adam did not just represent himself in the Garden of Eden. He represented all of mankind. Humanity operates as a community, not solely as an individual. While Adam’s sin was directly his responsibility, his sin is imputed to all of mankind, because he represented all of mankind. This is the basis of Paul’s argument in Romans 5”
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TriuneUnity said:
It is called federal headship. Adam did not just represent himself in the Garden of Eden. He represented all of mankind. Humanity operates as a community, not solely as an individual. While Adam’s sin was directly his responsibility, his sin is imputed to all of mankind, because he represented all of mankind. This is the basis of Paul’s argument in Romans 5.
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Ok we were all born into Adam’s physical family, the family line that leads to certain death. All of us have reaped the results of Adam’s sin. So we have inherited his guilt which is a sinful nature, or the tendency to sin, and God’s punishment. We confirm our heritage with Adam by our sins every day. We have the same sinful nature that Adam had and we are prone to rebel against God. Is this what you are saying?
 
rev_kevin said:
Ok we were all born into Adam’s physical family, the family line that leads to certain death. All of us have reaped the results of Adam’s sin. So we have inherited his guilt which is a sinful nature, or the tendency to sin, and God’s punishment. We confirm our heritage with Adam by our sins every day. We have the same sinful nature that Adam had and we are prone to rebel against God. Is this what you are saying?
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Yes. If you will, think of it as our doctrine of the imputation of Christ’s righteousness to the believer, but in reverse.

Christ represented sinners on the cross. As a result of His righteousness, His righteousness is imputed to us for righteousness (justification). As a result of the imputation of Christ’s righteousness, we begin to actually become righteous, not just forensically, but actually (sanctification).

Adam represented all of mankind in the Garden. When he sinned, his sin was imputed to all of mankind. As a result of the imputation of Adam’s disobedience, we begin to become actually disobedient. That is, we begin to commit actual sins.
 
Third_Day said:
I was answering your “Physical” analogy.

I was saying since we are punished for Adam’s sin that we did not commit is like being punished for someone eles sin that you did not commit. Is it right to be punished for something you did not do?

TriuneUnity answered your question:
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TriuneUnity said:
Yes. If you will, think of it as our doctrine of the imputation of Christ’s righteousness to the believer, but in reverse.

Christ represented sinners on the cross. As a result of His righteousness, His righteousness is imputed to us for righteousness (justification). As a result of the imputation of Christ’s righteousness, we begin to actually become righteous, not just forensically, but actually (sanctification).

Adam represented all of mankind in the Garden. When he sinned, his sin was imputed to all of mankind. As a result of the imputation of Adam’s disobedience, we begin to become actually disobedient. That is, we begin to commit actual sins.
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Ok so its sin nature that was passed down from Adam correct?
Then why do we call it original sin instead of sin nature?
Who came up with the phraise original sin, since it is not in the Bible or in Jewish Scripture?
 
rev_kevin said:
Ok so its sin nature that was passed down from Adam correct?
Then why do we call it original sin instead of sin nature?
Who came up with the phraise original sin, since it is not in the Bible or in Jewish Scripture?
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Good question. I honestly don’t know when it originated as a theological term. My guess would be Augustine, but it may have been used before that time. Yes, it refers to the sin nature and not to the act of eating the fruit.
 
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