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Okay…didn’t Adam and Eve actually know the consequences of disobeying God before eating the fruit? Did they even know what good and evil meant? Obviously they didn’t have a clue. Why didn’t God teach them BEFORE Eve made a mistake?
You say that God created the universe to be all good. Now I’m going to assume that means other galaxies - maybe other universes. If that’s the case, does that mean that when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, it affected the rest of the universe? Not just Earth?
You say that God created the universe to be all good. Now I’m going to assume that means other galaxies - maybe other universes. If that’s the case, does that mean that when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, it affected the rest of the universe? Not just Earth?
You raise alot of points (and they’re all very good points), It’s just that it’s sometimes it’s difficult to understand what your main objection is. I’ll try my best, but for future reference, it might help my and others understanding more if you were shorter and clearer with your objections.
From what I gather from your statement, you find it objectionable that God seemingly placed alot of suffering on humanity without the possibility of removing said suffering. Furthermore, you find it objectionable that the disobedience of Adam and Eve “overcondemned” the planet. I’ll try and explain everything as best as I can according to Catholic teaching.
When God first created the universe, the universe was all-good, because “God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good.” Genesis 1: 31 (NASB). So, when God first created man, man was all-good. He had no sin on him and he was in full grace with God (he was completely holy and good, and was, one could say, instantly sent to heaven because he had not sinned). Then, man chose, through his God-given free will, to disobey God. Because God is the standard of all Goodness, and man choose to disobey God’s Divine Goodness, he allowed sin and suffering to enter the world (how sin is linked to suffering I’ll explain in a bit). Thus, it was not God that placed suffering on humans, it was humans themselves who chose to sin, and thus to allow suffering into the world.
Evil has two different forms. There is moral evil and physical evil. Moral evil is sin. Physical evil is suffering. How are the two connected?
*]The human person is a unity of soul and body (this is a concept known as psychosomatic unity).
*]If we grant this principle, it makes sense that if the soul becomes alienated from God (through sin), the body will become alienated too.
*]So, if the human body is a unity of soul and body, and the soul becomes damaged through moral evil (sin), then this will affect the body through the manifestation of physical evil (suffering).
To give a visual, imagine three iron rings suspended from a magnet. The magnet symbolizes God; the first ring, the soul; the middle ring, the body; the bottom ring, nature. As long as the soul stays in touch with God, the magnetic “life” keeps flowing through the whole chain, from divine life to soul life, body life and nature life. The three rings are harmonized and united. But when the soul freely declares its independence from God, when the first iron ring separates from the magnet, the inevitable consequence is that the whole chain of rings is demagnetized and falls apart. When the soul is separated from God, the body is separated from the soul - that is, it dies - and also from nature - that is, it suffers. Thus, in this way, both suffering and sin are traced to man, not God.
This is a short quotation and paraphrase from “The Problem of Evil” chapter of the book Handbook of Catholic Apologetics by Peter Kreeft and Robert Tacelli (I highly recommend this book as it explains (albeit very briefly) many Catholic teachings in a logical and rational manner).
You also stated that you found it objectionable that God did not offer a way out of this sin and suffering. The answer to that is that he did: through His son, Jesus Christ. He sent His only Begotten Son to earth to show us the way to His Father (a way that is free of sin, and thus suffering), and through his own suffering, death, and Resurrection, we have been redeemed with God, and are able to live with Him in Heaven.