Origins of Liturgical Dance?

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This is a question that I have had for a while. Does anyone know how liturgical dance started and what the rationale is for its use? I went to a High Tridentine Mass today, and I find it hard to believe that it was possible to go from that to liturgical dance and other infamous abuses.
 
I can only speculate that it is another abuse of the concept of active or actual participation.
 
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I was just thinking of Lord of the Dance before you posted !!!

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I have never read an “official” explanation, but based on what I have heard, and without too great a fear of being proved wrong, I will say as follows:

First, it is deemed an “art form”, in a more “modern” and “relevant” mode, kind of like those emaciated semi-abstract representations of Jesus and saints (if any) in the “with it” churches. Never mind that almost no one likes modern art in any form.

Second, it is deemed a “return” to a “biblical” form of liturgy. Remember David dancing before the Ark? Orthodox Jews have a kind of dancing in some of their liturgical events. Never mind that Jesus is not represented as dancing in the New Testament, since some of the aging hippy/nuns who are “liturgists” in so many places were more interested in Jesus as a Jew than as a Christian (before they became sympatico with the Palestinian cause and don’t like Jews anymore) they felt it was more “relevant” to have liturgical dancing. It’s all kind of like some of the other ersatz “early Christian” things they have imagined; like burlap banners and wooden chalices and “intimate worship spaces” and such.

Anyway, that’s my take on it. Well, yes, there is likely an element good old-fashioned exhibitionism. Imagine all the gnostic symbolism the enlightened can pack into a dance, knowing that all the philistines in the congregation will not understand the profundity of the gestures. In this way, it’s a bit like clown masses. They do them because they want to and because they can.
 
This is a question that I have had for a while. Does anyone know how liturgical dance started and what the rationale is for its use? I went to a High Tridentine Mass today, and I find it hard to believe that it was possible to go from that to liturgical dance and other infamous abuses.
I don’t know but I saw it at my church once and I’d never heard of such a thing until these girls came dancing down the aisle with what appeared to be Ribbon Dancers in their hands (you know, those stick things with ribbons on them that was a fad for a while years ago). Thankfully I haven’t seen it since but expect to see it again sooner or later.
 
Most modern liturgical dance, as practiced in American parishes, seems to derive from Druidic rituals or marijuana-imbibed hippie parties.
 
This is a question that I have had for a while. Does anyone know how liturgical dance started and what the rationale is for its use? I went to a High Tridentine Mass today, and I find it hard to believe that it was possible to go from that to liturgical dance and other infamous abuses.
During the late 60’s through early 80’s there was a lot of what could politely be called experimantation in the Mass. Hows that sound?

One of the things that was desperately wanted at that time was to make the Mass More relevant, more modern,more catchy, hipper so to speak using the vernacular of the time. To that end anyting and everything was tried and in many places still is.

Folk masses, tortilla masses, clam bake masses, crab boil masses, no they didn’t use Clams or Crabs for the Hosts thank God, Polka masses, Mariachi Masses some of those especially weddings were nice, very reverent, disco masses, roller skate masses, water park masses, get it Living water???, a gymnastic Mass was held in Wahington DC, at the Holy Trinity Church, A troupe of acrobats actually performed while the Pator skillfully wove his homily around their routine It was described as a spectacular Sunday afternoon.👍 karaoke masses, rock and roll Masses, maybe even Ozzy Osbourne if we were lucky, I mean after all, why not? etc etc etc.

The Pauline Rite was envisioned as being everything the Traditional mass wa not, flowing instead of rigid, free instead of tied down, open to change instead of closed. A friendly communal dinner party where comfort, peace, love and good fellowship ruled and would prevail, no matter what it took instead of a stodgy old folks home style of religious service If you could get people to participate in any way, go for it!!!: Sadly prayer was pretty much left out of the mixture in many of these things or was distinctly in second place to the rollicking good time that was being had by all. Kind of like an Evangelical revival but without any of the substance, but a lot of style:

Hence liturgical dance.👍 👍 Liturgical dancing was seen as being a joyful expression of your love for God and your unbridled joy at being at his table. Very Old testament I guess andwholly in line with modern theology. Who could resist? 🙂

There are those who will try to explain it as deriving from authentic African style Masses, where apparently they said the congregations really got into it. You know acculturation and all that. Quick everybody get a drum. Unfortunately Francis Cardinal Arinze quietly destroyed that particular effort at cross cultural asimilation or should we say abomination??, by explaining what constituted Liturgical Dance in Africa, a modest swaying as the gifts were brought to the altar. Somewhat different than the modern dance antics we were subjected to. Oh well, the best laid plans of Mice and Men eh?

Liturgical dance was just another in the litany of experiments that pretty much fell flat on their faces. I guess they still exist in some places in Western Europe, Los Angeles and a few other bastions of the newly energized and truly revelant Church. But most places saw them for what they were years ago and quietly dumped them into the trash heap of history. In fact most places won’t even admit that they ever had them.
 
fortunately so-called liturgical dance is dying a natural death in most places, probably for the same reason congregational singing is weak in many areas–Catholics can’t dance any better than they can sing.

I think it started at least in parishes where I saw it done as an effort to get teens “more involved” in the Mass, obviously by people who don’t know anything about teens and their disdain and outright fear of any activity that puts them on the spotlight before people. a generation of young Catholics has surely been scarred for life by being forced to participate in such nonsense.
 
**Cardinal Francis Arinze Addresses Liturgists
**Liturgical Norms and Liturgical Piety
“The people of God have the right that the liturgy be celebrated as the Church wants it”.


8. Dance in the Liturgy
Some people want to introduce dance into the sacred liturgy. The Latin Rite liturgy has not had any such practice. We have therefore to ask those who want to bring in the dance to state their case.
If they say that the reason is to make the Mass interesting, the answer is what we have just considered. We come to Mass to worship God, not to see a spectacle. We have the parish hall and the theater for shows.
Others say they welcome some dance in order to express fully our prayer, since we are body and soul. The answer is that the liturgy indeed appreciates bodily postures and gestures and has carefully incorporated many of them, such as standing, kneeling, genuflecting, singing, and giving a sign of peace. But the Latin Rite has not included the dance.
It is not easy for dancers not to draw attention to themselves. Granted that some very refined dances in some cultures can help to elevate the mind, is it not true that for many people dances are a distraction rather than a help to prayer?

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Nah, I was alive back when it all started. Everyone saw the Ten Commandments back in the 50s. There were dancers who presented gifts to Pharoah. And then Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton was filmed - all sorts of liturgical dancers in that one. All of this happened around Vatican II. When my diocese celebrated its 25th anniversary in 1985, we did it big time. We had bowls of incense being wafted about by liturgical dancers straight out of Cleopatra. I almost expected a Sphinx to be dragged in with the Bishop seated on the throne. And then we had the maypole dancers following. (The music, however, was not Jerry Goldsmith but Marty Haugen - but then I don’t want to hijack this thread.) We were truly multi-cultural, Egypt and England. You know the thing that struck me most about this? There are many examples from Renaissance art showing liturgical processions…I can’t find any liturgical dancers in them. Gosh, y’all, I am at a total loss to explain this phenomena except in terms of Hollywood.
 
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NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!

I was just thinking of Lord of the Dance before you posted !!!

Kill me , hit me , hurt me , make my write bad checks but NNNOO!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
That song “Lord of the Dance” ? Probably that song needs to be officially banned in Mass by the Holy Father himself before somebody uses this as a pretext for actual, ahem, liturgical “dance.”
 
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