Ornate Ribbons

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A friend of mine had some really nice ribbons for his breviary, and I’m wondering where I could get some for myself (since then I’ve lost contact with him, or I’d ask him). They looked quite similar to the ribbons on the magnificat altar missal:

http://i.imm.io/bzc5.jpeg
Photo by Fr. Z

I think he might have gotten them in Rome, but you must be able to get them somewhere in the US or online.

Anyone know where I could get something like this, but breviary sized?
 
Can you fix the image please? Or just put a link to Fr. Z’s blog where you found the image so we can see them.

~zlixs
 
Go to a fabric megastore or something. They might not have that ribbon exactly, but I’m sure you can find something to your liking. You can buy two yards or so of it and then cut it and finish the ends by sewing them.
 
Check out this site, especially the florals and the patterns tabs. Before you order, make sure that the width is appropriate. Some of these ribbons are very wide.

ribbon.calhk.com/
 
Check out this site, especially the florals and the patterns tabs. Before you order, make sure that the width is appropriate. Some of these ribbons are very wide.

ribbon.calhk.com/
Woha! That’s awesome. Not quite readymade, but plenty of designs that I think are pretty classy, and bonus: the same design in multiple colors! Perfect!

I especially like these designs:
ribbon.calhk.com/product.php?id_product=40008
ribbon.calhk.com/product.php?id_product=40009 (red and gold)

Sooo… my next question:
Anyone have a simple tutorial on how to make these from the raw ribbon? Is it very hard?
http://i.imm.io/bzng.jpeg
 
Woha! That’s awesome. Not quite readymade, but plenty of designs that I think are pretty classy, and bonus: the same design in multiple colors! Perfect!

I especially like these designs:
ribbon.calhk.com/product.php?id_product=40008
ribbon.calhk.com/product.php?id_product=40009 (red and gold)

Sooo… my next question:
Anyone have a simple tutorial on how to make these from the raw ribbon? Is it very hard?
http://i.imm.io/bzng.jpeg
The type pictured would be easy enough to make. Use embroidery floss for the thin part. Cut floss about 4-5" long and make a knot at both ends. Fold ribbon into a point (top) around one end of the floss and sew to secure. Once you’ve done as many ribbons as you want, gather the different embroidery flosses between two pieces of ribbon or fabric reinforced with pellon, making sure this piece of fabric is just wide enough and stiff enough to fit in the space between the spine of the book and the binding. Sew across and around to secure all the floss to the fabric.

You could also cut longer pieces of floss and loop each around a metal ring, bringing both ends together and knotting. Fold ribbon around the double strand of floss and sew to secure. The ring with its attached strands of floss could simply be left to hang or snugged up against the top of the book.

Depending on the fabric, the cut edges of the ribbon could either be folded over and stitched, finished off with a serger or melted to prevent fraying. Don’t know how to finish off the bottom edge the way it’s portrayed. It looks like a thread was pulled to make the ribbon pucker like that.
 
The type pictured would be easy enough to make. Use embroidery floss for the thin part. Cut floss about 4-5" long and make a knot at both ends. Fold ribbon into a point (top) around one end of the floss and sew to secure. Once you’ve done as many ribbons as you want, gather the different embroidery flosses between two pieces of ribbon or fabric reinforced with pellon, making sure this piece of fabric is just wide enough and stiff enough to fit in the space between the spine of the book and the binding. Sew across and around to secure all the floss to the fabric.

You could also cut longer pieces of floss and loop each around a metal ring, bringing both ends together and knotting. Fold ribbon around the double strand of floss and sew to secure. The ring with its attached strands of floss could simply be left to hang or snugged up against the top of the book.

Depending on the fabric, the cut edges of the ribbon could either be folded over and stitched, finished off with a serger or melted to prevent fraying. Don’t know how to finish off the bottom edge the way it’s portrayed. It looks like a thread was pulled to make the ribbon pucker like that.
Maybe I’m missing something really obvious, but I haven’t done much sewing work. What is keeping the floss from just falling out the top of the point? Or does it stay because you sewed the triangle shut?

Thank you so much, Phemie. I’ve never really liked those wimpy little ribbons on my breviary, and I’m excited (as you might have noticed) that I might be getting some nice ones.

One more question: Is this all doable without a sewing machine? I’d probably have to do it by hand, since I don’t have one, or know anyone with one.
 
Maybe I’m missing something really obvious, but I haven’t done much sewing work. What is keeping the floss from just falling out the top of the point? Or does it stay because you sewed the triangle shut?

Thank you so much, Phemie. I’ve never really liked those wimpy little ribbons on my breviary, and I’m excited (as you might have noticed) that I might be getting some nice ones.

One more question: Is this all doable without a sewing machine? I’d probably have to do it by hand, since I don’t have one, or know anyone with one.
It’s doable by hand but probably a long job. Very small, neat stitches.

Yes, when you sew the top part, just make sure you’ve put some stitches into the ribbon above the knot. That will keep the floss from coming out. If the ribbon isn’t the melting kind, I imagine you could even do the top part with ‘no stitch’ tape. Iron a piece of no stitch tape to the top part of the ribbon, making sure it’s narrow enough not to show when you fold both sides in to the center. Put in the knotted end of the floss, fold ribbon over and iron to secure. You might then just want to do a few small stitches to make doubly sure it’s secure.
 
It’s doable by hand but probably a long job. Very small, neat stitches.

Yes, when you sew the top part, just make sure you’ve put some stitches into the ribbon above the knot. That will keep the floss from coming out. If the ribbon isn’t the melting kind, I imagine you could even do the top part with ‘no stitch’ tape. Iron a piece of no stitch tape to the top part of the ribbon, making sure it’s narrow enough not to show when you fold both sides in to the center. Put in the knotted end of the floss, fold ribbon over and iron to secure. You might then just want to do a few small stitches to make doubly sure it’s secure.
Cool. I’ll have to do this sometime. I know who I can ask if I need help!
 
Anyone have a simple tutorial on how to make these from the raw ribbon? Is it very hard?
http://i.imm.io/bzng.jpeg
If you can sew a simple straight stitch by hand, you can make these. You will need to measure the length you want, then double it (because these ribbons are doubled-over, making them thicker). You will need some type of twisted or woven cording for the ends, and thread that is preferably the same color as your ribbons. You could use one color for the cord, if you want. A heavy thread (such as the kind used for crochet) or a fine yarn used for crewel would also work.

You will need to to fold the ribbon so the satin-side faces itself. You should decide on how you want the point, and make a pattern with some scrap light cardboard, and use a pen or marker to trace the shape on the raw end of your ribbon. Thread a needle and knot the end, sew small stitches along the lines you traced of the point, knot end and clip. Trim the excess close to the stitches, seal raw edge with white glue if you want. Turn the ribbon right-side out. You will need some kind of tool to push the point out, a nut picker, small scissors with a point, the pointed part of a compass (seamstresses and needle-workers have actual tools for this, you are improvising).

Using the same threaded needle, decide how far down you want to place the pinch at the folded end. You will need to knot the end of the thread; when you decide where you want to place the pinch, put a dot on the ribbon on the underside (the side that is the reverse of the satin). Pull your needle up through that dot, then wrap the thread several times (probable 2 or 3) like a lasso, and pull until the ribbon puckers. Pull needle through the center and knot securely on the underside. You can put a dot of white glue to reinforce the thread, if you wish.

Now you need to cut a piece of cord for each ribbon, accounting for additional to insert in the spine. You are going to need a craft needle that has a hole large enough to thread the cord through. Knot one end of the piece of cord, thread the other through the needle. You are going to push the needle through the point you sewed earlier in your ribbon, from the inside-out. Pull until the knot rests snugly inside. Do this with each ribbon.

When you are finished, cut a piece of ribbon that will fit in the spine, cut another the same size. You may want to add some kind of stiff fabric , or you could alternately saturate the ribbon with white glue and let it dry (but do this after sewing the ribbons together). Lay your ribbons in a row, and line the cords on one of the ribbon pieces, place the other on top. Sew across the lower edge, then the upper edge, to secure the cord. Drop inside the spine, and you’re good to go.

If this is too confusing for you, I’ll see if I can put together a rough illustration to demonstrate the process.
 
Galoon will work, it’s just an embroidered ribbon. If you had a computerized embroidery sewing machine (which I covet–LOL!) you could program the design, and run the ribbon through the machine for a custom look. The stuff you found will work, I’d go with 1/2 inch wide.
 
Galoon will work, it’s just an embroidered ribbon. If you had a computerized embroidery sewing machine (which I covet–LOL!) you could program the design, and run the ribbon through the machine for a custom look. The stuff you found will work, I’d go with 1/2 inch wide.
You think 1" would be too wide for a breviary?
 
You think 1" would be too wide for a breviary?
I would say “yes”, Typically the ribbons are between ¼ & ½ wide. 1" would be better suited for a large book such as a bible or lectionary, for example. If you want fancy, buy jacquard weave ribbons from a craft or fabric store. You can find some lovely patterns, Celtic, renaissance period, etc.

PS will try to work on the illustration in the next few days.
 
I would say “yes”, Typically the ribbons are between ¼ & ½ wide. 1" would be better suited for a large book such as a bible or lectionary, for example. If you want fancy, buy jacquard weave ribbons from a craft or fabric store. You can find some lovely patterns, Celtic, renaissance period, etc.

PS will try to work on the illustration in the next few days.
I made a paper “ribbon” that’s one inch wide, tried it, and liked it, and I think I’ll go with 1 inch, but thank you for the advice. I can’t wait for your guide.
 
Okay, I have some rough illustrations that will hopefully help TheMc, and anyone else who wants to try these. This is the first one.

 
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