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I have a copy of the Orthodox Study Bible, and I like reading the commentary, even though anything that goes against Roman Catholic teaching I ignore and I don’t accept Maccabees III as an inspired Book of Holy Scripture (nor have I as of yet even read it), but I do like the icons and stuff that explains Orthodox views on certain things, but I find that I like the wording of the Douay-Rheims better 🙂
 
Im a big fan of the Douay-Rheims having grown up on it only what I mean is words like thou and thee seem a little distant. The Douay-Rheims is my number one, but I agree with you the illustrations in the Orthodox study Bible as well as commentaries are very rich, and the wording seems to touch me a little more in that it seems more personal. I like to cross check the two and there is very little difference. I like the way the old testament annotations build up the arrival of Christ. Is it O.K as a Catholic Bible though?
 
sami1066 said:
Is it O.K as a Catholic Bible though?
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While Orthodox and Catholic agree on many things, I’d be cautious using a non-Catholic Study Bible when studying your Catholic faith. Stick to the NSRV-CE 2nd Edition (aka the Ignatius Catholic Bible) or the NABRE or the Douay-Rheims.

I’d recommend the The Ignatius Catholic New Testament Study Bible, which has commentaries and notes by Scott Hahn.

In general when using Catholic study materials, look for the Imprimatur and Nihil obstat on the copyright page (which can be found at the very beginning of any book).

btw, an excellent Catholic commentary on the D-R is Haydock.
 
Hi thanks for that I have pondered the Idea of buying the Ignatius study bible so I think I’ll get the nice leather one from Amazon. What are they using in the Mass in Church?
 
Splagchnizomai said:
It doesn’t matter if you accept it. 😉
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Even if I wanted to, I would be anathemized and excommunicated (minor) if I did accept it because the Holy See has not done so. Good thing I trust the official Canon of Scripture 😉
 
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Hi thanks for that I have pondered the Idea of buying the Ignatius study bible so I think I’ll get the nice leather one from Amazon. What are they using in the Mass in Church?
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That depends where you are. Here in England and Wales we use the JB for the readings with and the Grail Psalms. CTS do a beautiful Bible which has the exact Bible texts the England and Wales use. It’s called the CTS New Catholic Bible.
 
Splagchnizomai said:
While Orthodox and Catholic agree on many things, I’d be cautious using a non-Catholic Study Bible when studying your Catholic faith. Stick to the NSRV-CE 2nd Edition (aka the Ignatius Catholic Bible) or the NABRE or the Douay-Rheims.

I’d recommend the The Ignatius Catholic New Testament Study Bible, which has commentaries and notes by Scott Hahn.

In general when using Catholic study materials, look for the Imprimatur and Nihil obstat on the copyright page (which can be found at the very beginning of any book).

btw, an excellent Catholic commentary on the D-R is Haydock.
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Are all the versions you mention from the Latin Vulgate? as I dont realy want translations from the Masoretic Text.
 
Splagchnizomai said:
I’d recommend the The Ignatius Catholic New Testament Study Bible, which has commentaries and notes by Scott Hahn.
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I purchased the Ignatius New Testament study bible and I was actually a little disappointed. It seemed very basic and I had expected it to delve more deeply.
btw, an excellent Catholic commentary on the D-R is Haydock.
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Now that one, I haven’t tried.
 
The Navarre series is excellent, though pricey. The Ignatius was intended to be a pastoral approach per statements made by Dr. Hahn. If one is looking to go deeper, I suggest the Haydock, Navarre, etc. This looks very good as well. amazon.com/Catena-Aurea-4-Volume-Set/dp/1905574509/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC?ie=UTF8&coliid=I7SP2JEOE0F6N&colid=2T70ZJYNJ8XOE

Also, one can take a look and see which texts are being required for advanced level courses on Sacred Scripture and read those. For example, at Catholic Distance University they list the required courses for each class. Or simply take some of those classes as a non-degree seeking student. cdu.edu/documents/academic/graduate-master-course-list.html

The class Biblical Foundations class at CDU requires or recommends the following materials:

*1. Catholic Church Documents on the Bible: Providentissimus Deus; Divino Afflante Spiritu; Dei Verbum; Historicity of the Gospels; Le Bible et Christologie (translated by Fitzmyer into English as Scripture and Christology); Interpretation of the Bible in the Church.(This text is available online.)
  1. St. Augustine. On Christian Doctrine. (Available online)
  2. Hugh of St Victor. Didascalicon: A Medieval Guide to the Arts. Ed. Jerome Taylor. New York: Columbia University Press, 1991.
  3. Brown, Raymond. The Critical Meaning of the Bible. Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1981.
  4. Marshall, I. Howard. I Believe in the Historical Jesus. Vancouver: Regent College Publishing, 2001. (Earlier editions are acceptable.)
  5. Neill, Stephen and Tom Wright. Interpretation of the New Testament 1861-1986. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988.
  6. Wright, N.T. The New Testament People of God. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1992.
  7. Bauckham, Richard. Jesus and the Eyewitnesses. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2008.
  8. Yarchin, William. History of Biblical Interpretation: A Reader. Peabody, Mass: Hendrickson, 2004. 080104815X
  9. Catholic Church Documents: Spiritus Paraclitus; Humani Generis; The Jewish People and their Sacred Scriptures.(Available online)
  10. Johnson, Luke Timothy and William Kurz. The Future of Catholic Biblical Scholarship: A Constructive Conversation. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2006.
  11. Bechard, Dean. The Scripture Documents: An Anthology of Catholic Teaching. Collegville, MN: Liturgical Press.
  12. Fitzmyer, Joseph. Scripture the Soul of Sacred Theology. Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1994.
  13. Martin, Francis. The Disclosure of the Word. Ave Maria, FL: Sapientia Press, 2006.
  14. Williamson, Peter. Catholic Principles for Interpreting Scripture: A Study of the Pontifical Biblical Commission’s the Interpretation of the Bible in the Church. Chicago: Loyola Press, 2002*
 
jwinch2 said:
The Navarre series is excellent, though pricey. The Ignatius was intended to be a pastoral approach per statements made by Dr. Hahn. If one is looking to go deeper, I suggest the Haydock, Navarre, etc.

Also, one can take a look and see which texts are being required for advanced level courses on Sacred Scripture and read those. For example, at Catholic Distance University they list the required courses for each class. Or simply take some of those classes as a non-degree seeking student.

The class Biblical Foundations class at CDU requires or recommends the following materials:

*1. Catholic Church Documents on the Bible: Providentissimus Deus; Divino Afflante Spiritu; Dei Verbum; Historicity of the Gospels; Le Bible et Christologie (translated by Fitzmyer into English as Scripture and Christology); Interpretation of the Bible in the Church.(This text is available online.)
  1. St. Augustine. On Christian Doctrine. (Available online)
  2. Hugh of St Victor. Didascalicon: A Medieval Guide to the Arts. Ed. Jerome Taylor. New York: Columbia University Press, 1991.
  3. Brown, Raymond. The Critical Meaning of the Bible. Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1981.
  4. Marshall, I. Howard. I Believe in the Historical Jesus. Vancouver: Regent College Publishing, 2001. (Earlier editions are acceptable.)
  5. Neill, Stephen and Tom Wright. Interpretation of the New Testament 1861-1986. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988.
  6. Wright, N.T. The New Testament People of God. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1992.
  7. Bauckham, Richard. Jesus and the Eyewitnesses. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2008.
  8. Yarchin, William. History of Biblical Interpretation: A Reader. Peabody, Mass: Hendrickson, 2004. 080104815X
  9. Catholic Church Documents: Spiritus Paraclitus; Humani Generis; The Jewish People and their Sacred Scriptures.(Available online)
  10. Johnson, Luke Timothy and William Kurz. The Future of Catholic Biblical Scholarship: A Constructive Conversation. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2006.
  11. Bechard, Dean. The Scripture Documents: An Anthology of Catholic Teaching. Collegville, MN: Liturgical Press.
  12. Fitzmyer, Joseph. Scripture the Soul of Sacred Theology. Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press, 1994.
  13. Martin, Francis. The Disclosure of the Word. Ave Maria, FL: Sapientia Press, 2006.
  14. Williamson, Peter. Catholic Principles for Interpreting Scripture: A Study of the Pontifical Biblical Commission’s the Interpretation of the Bible in the Church. Chicago: Loyola Press, 2002*
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Wonderful list Jason. Thanks!

How does the Navarre compare to the Haydock?

Does the Haydock have commentary from the Roman Catechism?
 
TrueLight said:
Wonderful list Jason. Thanks!

How does the Navarre compare to the Haydock?

Does the Haydock have commentary from the Roman Catechism?
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Hadock’s commentaries often come from the Church Fathers. The Navarre is more pastoral in nature, but has good depth and has a good deal of commentary from the CCC as well as Blessed John Paul II. Navarre University was founded by St. Josemaria Escriva, so the spirituality of Opus Dei influences the commentary a good deal. The new version of the NT expanded edition is supposed to have commentary from Pope Benedict XVI also, but I decided to get the entire series in the same format instead of splitting it up so I do not have that one.

One could also get Pope Benedict’s Jesus of Nazareth series which are supposed to be excellent commentaries on the Gospels.

I have had my eye on this one for quite some time as well: amazon.com/Catena-Aurea-Complete-4-Set/dp/0980208467/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t

Finally, I would strongly recommend many of the great CD sets put out by Dr. Brant Pitre and Dr. John Bergsma .

catholicproductions.com/store/audio/pitre/index.html
catholicproductions.com/store/audio/bergsma/index.html

They are wonderful, and very in depth. I have several of the Bible Conference sets as well as the commentary series on the Pentateuch. They are all excellent.
 
MariaGoretti88 said:
Even if I wanted to, I would be anathemized and excommunicated (minor) if I did accept it because the Holy See has not done so. Good thing I trust the official Canon of Scripture 😉
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Not true. The Council of Trent listed the books that are required to be accepted and stated:
But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema. Let all, therefore, understand, in what order, and in what manner, the said Synod, after having laid the foundation of the Confession of faith, will proceed, and what testimonies and authorities it will mainly use in confirming dogmas, and in restoring morals in the Church.
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The Council never excluded other books. I believe some of the Eastern Churches accept additional books as inspired (such as Macc III and IV, perhaps by Syriac Church?)
 
Evan said:
The Council never excluded other books. I believe some of the Eastern Churches accept additional books as inspired (such as Macc III and IV, perhaps by Syriac Church?)
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Please, be more precise when you speak about the Eastern Churches. Do you mean the Eastern Catholic Churches (in communion with Rome) or the Eastern Orthodox Churches (not in communion with Rome)?
 
Evan said:
Not true. The Council of Trent listed the books that are required to be accepted and stated:

The Council never excluded other books. I believe some of the Eastern Churches accept additional books as inspired (such as Macc III and IV, perhaps by Syriac Church?)
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Back in the Council of Trent days, there used to be a list of books that were prohibited.

There were revisions to the list throughout the years and the list was done away with in 1966.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum

However, we should still be careful of what we read.
 
Splagchnizomai said:
Please, be more precise when you speak about the Eastern Churches. Do you mean the Eastern Catholic Churches (in communion with Rome) or the Eastern Orthodox Churches (not in communion with Rome)?
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I believe both the Orthodox and Catholic Eastern Churches have some books that are beyond the canonical list determined at Trent.
 
Evan said:
I believe both the Orthodox and Catholic Eastern Churches have some books that are beyond the canonical list determined at Trent.
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Even if they do not, some of those texts are used in paraliturgical services, like the prayer of Manasses, which is in the Great Compline.
 
Evan said:
Not true. The Council of Trent listed the books that are required to be accepted. The Council never excluded other books. I believe some of the Eastern Churches accept additional books as inspired (such as Macc III and IV, perhaps by Syriac Church?)
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I stand corrected. Thank you for the information! I’m a sucker for the Council of Trent.
 
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