Orthodox and Catholicism ???

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This may be a dumb question and maybe somebody can correct me here, but it seems I hear a lot anti-Catholicism in the world but I have yet to hear any anti-orthodox and it seems that both Churches somewhat share the same doctines. Am I right or wrong. If this is so, why do you think so? Thanks!
 
This may be a dumb question and maybe somebody can correct me here, but it seems I hear a lot anti-Catholicism in the world but I have yet to hear any anti-orthodox and it seems that both Churches somewhat share the same doctines. Am I right or wrong. If this is so, why do you think so? Thanks!
Catholicism is much more prominent in America and much more known.(not necessarily understood)
 
This may be a dumb question and maybe somebody can correct me here, but it seems I hear a lot anti-Catholicism in the world but I have yet to hear any anti-orthodox and it seems that both Churches somewhat share the same doctines. Am I right or wrong. If this is so, why do you think so? Thanks!
Both Eastern and Western Catholics are of the same faith and body of Jesus Christ. What differs are the languages, geography, rites, and cultures. In some Eastern Catholic churches are not in full communion with the Pope while many other Eastern rites remain in communion with Peter present day Pope.

The reason you dont hear much ant-Catholic rhetoric about the Eastern Orthodox church is because for one those anti Catholic sentiments come from the west. Now this is from an Eastern Orthodox opinion of this anit-Catholicism from the west.

The Eastern Catholic church claims that “Protestantism is the Roman Catholics problem not theirs, because Protestantism broke away from the Roman Catholic church” or western rite which is the Latin Rite.

This is probably why you dont hear Protestants with anti Eastern Catholic sentiments. For one they dont know much about them, and live to far away to have much knowledge of the Eastern Church’s. Although it is funny when they try to pit the Eastern and Western Catholic communities against each other, that aint happening.

What is interesting though, the Eastern Catholic church is not immuned to anti Catholic sentiments from the East, for they still contend with the Muslims, Jews, and many other eastern pagan religions that come against them. In fact the Pope has stepped in a few times to protest the killing of Catholics and the force take over of Church properties by these Eastern religions or governments.

I hope this helps.
 
I think it has a great deal to do with America’s English heritage. During the 16th and 17th centuries, England and Spain were enemies. England had recently become Protestant, while Spain was still very much Catholic. My understanding is that there was a great deal of anti-Catholic propaganda in England during this time. Plus, the Church of England became identified with England itself, and Catholics were viewed as a threat to the state, not simply to the Church of England. Spain was a serious threat at this time, and perhaps we would be living in a rather different world if their armada had been successful. However, Protestant England (with the help of the weather, I believe) defeated Catholic Spain. The fear of Catholicism was transmitted to the English colonies. The old conspiracy theories and exaggerated reports of Catholic atrocities (such as vastly overinflated reports about Inquisition-related deaths) became popular in America, as well. These beliefs about the Catholic Church have been passed down throughout the past centuries, and are particularly strong in certain Protestant denominations.

By contrast, there is no strong historical basis for English Protestants and their descendants to have any kind of fear of Orthodoxy. Orthodox Russia or the Orthodox Byzantine Empire were not threatening English sovereignty, so American Protestants don’t have an inherited bias against the Orthodox faith. So, while Orthodoxy holds to nearly all the doctrines of Rome, Protestants know very little about Orthodoxy, and so they have no incentive to strongly oppose it.

As Protestant missionaries move into historically Orthodoxy countries, they have begun to form arguments against Orthodox theology. Not long ago, I read a Baptist pamphlet about evangelizing Orthodox Christians, for example. However, even that was not full of the kind of hysteria that is often found in anti-Catholic literature.
 
This may be a dumb question and maybe somebody can correct me here, but it seems I hear a lot anti-Catholicism in the world but I have yet to hear any anti-orthodox and it seems that both Churches somewhat share the same doctines. Am I right or wrong. If this is so, why do you think so? Thanks!
The Jehovah’s Witnesses’ WatchTower and Awake Magizines come out against Orthodoxy every now and again.
 
Anti-Christianity offends (or should offend) all Christians, and yes there is anti-orthodoxy in the world, just as there is anti-catholicism. The Church of the West and the of the East are the two lungs of the Catholic Church, and while we differ in some doctrines (Immaculate Conception, Purgatory, mortal sin, etc.), we both have the Christian Faith and the Creed of the Apostles, as well as the sacraments - most especially Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the altar!
 
The bigger target tends to take more hits. Here in the West, Catholicism is a bigger target.
 
What about all the anti-protestantism?
Would you say that Catholics misunderstand Protestant beliefs?

Or would you say that they disagree on the correct Protestant understandings of things?

God bless
 
Would you say that Catholics misunderstand Protestant beliefs?

Or would you say that they disagree on the correct Protestant understandings of things?

God bless
Protestants do not or ever will have correct (Orthodox) teachings, unlike Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox teachings.🙂
 
Protestants do not or ever will have correct (Orthodox) teachings, unlike Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox teachings.🙂
What I am wondering though is if Catholics have correct understandings of the Protestant beliefs that they are disagreeing with.

Catholics have to put up with accusations of Mary worship, salvation by works, cannibalism, so on and so forth. They are things that Catholics do not believe, but yet are asked to answer for why they believe them.

I was just curious if Protestants felt the same way; that they have to answer for things that they don’t believe.

God bless
 
Protestants do not or ever will have correct (Orthodox) teachings, unlike Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox teachings.🙂
Ok…

What you are saying is that protestants have nothing right, and that the RCC and the EO have everything right. EO deny the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome. Is that correct?
Protestants believe Christ died for them, is that incorrect?
Many protestants adhere to the historic creeds, is that correct?
Some protestants believe in baptismal regeneration, is that correct?
Some protestants believe in the real presence, is that correct?
 
Would you say that Catholics misunderstand Protestant beliefs?

Or would you say that they disagree on the correct Protestant understandings of things?

God bless
YES!

All too often protestants are grouped together as anti-catholic fundamentalists!

While there is anti-catholicism, it generally gets dealt with. But there have been many times where people aren’t even willing to discuss things with me, rather shout at me and tell me I’m the fruit of satan etc.
 
YES!

All too often protestants are grouped together as anti-catholic fundamentalists!

While there is anti-catholicism, it generally gets dealt with. But there have been many times where people aren’t even willing to discuss things with me, rather shout at me and tell me I’m the fruit of satan etc.
Well if nothing else it is refreshing to know that this feeling is shared by Protestants. 😉

I am interested in knowing what specific Protestant beliefs you feel that Catholics get wrong.

Like for example, Catholics are asked to explain why they deny Salvation by Grace, when in fact they affirm salvation by Grace. Is there something within Protestantism that parallels this?

These questions were not directed at me but I will offer an answer:
Protestants believe Christ died for them, is that incorrect?
Yes
Many protestants adhere to the historic creeds, is that correct?
Yes, but I would say most and not many.
Some protestants believe in baptismal regeneration, is that correct?
Yes they do.
Some protestants believe in the real presence, is that correct?
Yes, and again since Anglicanism and Lutheranism are the largest Protestant denominations, I may even venture to say most believe this. But this is just a gut feeling as I have no statistics to back it up. It would be interesting to find out though.

God bless
 
YES!

All too often protestants are grouped together as anti-catholic fundamentalists!

While there is anti-catholicism, it generally gets dealt with. But there have been many times where people aren’t even willing to discuss things with me, rather shout at me and tell me I’m the fruit of satan etc.
Yes, I’ve witnessed it happening in some of the threads you’ve participated in, grampben - sorry about that 😦 .

My personal feeling is that I believe the Catholic Church is the “True Church”, but that many of the Protestant churches also contain substantial parts of the Truth. And their members should be treated with respect, as our fellow Christians.

And I know a lot of Protestants feel the same way about Catholics - that even though they don’t have the “Gospel truth”, they’re still fellow Christians. So we all have a ways to go to connect with each other.

But mutual respect (which may mean taking some extra time to find out what your “opponent” really believes, rather than attacking a “straw man”) is always a good way to start. 👍
 
Well if nothing else it is refreshing to know that this feeling is shared by Protestants. 😉

I am interested in knowing what specific Protestant beliefs you feel that Catholics get wrong.

Like for example, Catholics are asked to explain why they deny Salvation by Grace, when in fact they affirm salvation by Grace. Is there something within Protestantism that parallels this?
I thought catholics believed in salvation by grace? I have never denied that :confused:

Most misconceptions stem from the fact that we are all grouped with fundamentalist baptists! For instance:
  • Protestants don’t baptise infants
  • For protestants the eucharist is symbolic
  • Protestants don’t value tradition at all
The list could go on.
 
I thought catholics believed in salvation by grace? I have never denied that :confused:
We do. You may have never denied this, but you have seen the accusation right?
Most misconceptions stem from the fact that we are all grouped with fundamentalist baptists! For instance:
  • Protestants don’t baptise infants
  • For protestants the eucharist is symbolic
  • Protestants don’t value tradition at all
The list could go on.
I see what you are saying, and I have seen this myself. These are more on the line of over-generalizations though. What I am really interested in is knowing if there is a specific Protestant belief that you feel we Catholics get completely wrong.

I am guessing it is going to be Sola Scriptura, but ITSM that Sola Scriptura is different depending on the believer, so it would be hard to get the understanding of this belief right to satisfy Protestants. Still none the less, it is the claim that we do not properly understand this belief that I see often on this forum. What do you think?

God bless you
 
We do. You may have never denied this, but you have seen the accusation right?

I see what you are saying, and I have seen this myself. These are more on the line of over-generalizations though. What I am really interested in is knowing if there is a specific Protestant belief that you feel we Catholics get completely wrong.

I am guessing it is going to be Sola Scriptura, but ITSM that Sola Scriptura is different depending on the believer, so it would be hard to get the understanding of this belief right to satisfy Protestants. Still none the less, it is the claim that we do not properly understand this belief that I see often on this forum. What do you think?

God bless you
I agree, it seems many catholics take sola scriptura to mean ‘we can only look to the bible’. What is originally meant was that the ultimate authority on earth is scripture, as opposed to the magesterium. This does not take away the influence of tradition, reason and situation.
Sadly, it seems to have evolved with many protestants to mean ‘bible only’ in everything, with a disregard for tradition, and in some cases reason (ie creationism).
 
I agree, it seems many catholics take sola scriptura to mean ‘we can only look to the bible’. What is originally meant was that the ultimate authority on earth is scripture, as opposed to the magesterium. This does not take away the influence of tradition, reason and situation.
Sadly, it seems to have evolved with many protestants to mean ‘bible only’ in everything, with a disregard for tradition, and in some cases reason (ie creationism).
The reason I have gone on and on about this is because I believe anti-‘anything’ takes many forms. I am not so much concerned with people who have genuine disagreements about what we Catholics actually believe, but am very concerned about having to defend things that I do not believe. (See the examples I have used in previous posts)

I was just curious if there was a belief within Protestantism that we Catholics can not seem to get right no matter how many times we are told. And also if this feeling of mine (having to defend beliefs I don’t affirm) was shared by Protestants.

God bless
 
The reason I have gone on and on about this is because I believe anti-‘anything’ takes many forms. I am not so much concerned with people who have genuine disagreements about what we Catholics actually believe, but am very concerned about having to defend things that I do not believe. (See the examples I have used in previous posts)

I was just curious if there was a belief within Protestantism that we Catholics can not seem to get right no matter how many times we are told. And also if this feeling of mine (having to defend beliefs I don’t affirm) was shared by Protestants.

God bless
I think I understand you, I find myself defining church teaching on things such as the marian dogmas to other protestants to show true ignorance!
 
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