Really, then how did they come up with the Dormition?
Do you have an eye witness?
An eye witness who recorded it? No.
No it states… “This Greek narrative is one of the earliest witnesses to the “Bethlehem” traditions of the Virgin Mary’s Dormition, so-called because some of their events take place in Bethlehem. This is in contrast to other early traditions in which the setting is limited to Jerusalem. This narrative is probably from the sixth century, although it is difficult to be certain. It has tightly condensed earlier traditions that are evident in two Syriac manuscripts from the sixth century, as well as in later Syriac, Ethiopic, and Arabic narratives.”
Read it again: This Greek narrative is one of the earliest witnesses to the “Bethlehem” traditions of the Virgin Mary’s Dormition, so-called because some of their events take place in Bethlehem.* This is in contrast to other early traditions in which the setting is limited to Jerusalem.*
This narrative is probably from the sixth century, although it is difficult to be certain.* It has tightly condensed earlier traditions that are evident in two Syriac manuscripts from the sixth century, as well as in later Syriac, Ethiopic, and Arabic narratives.The bolded sentence refers to the Bethlehem Narrative, not to the Jerusalem narratives
You post the correct one then, since I suspect whichever one I chose won’t be up to your standard. I have no issue with that, I understand “where” the work came from and when.
The “correct” narrative is the one we read for the feast of the Dormition. All other narratives will vary in their degree of correctness based on what truths they reveal.
But it has with the Dorimition, and thus you rightly uphold this!
Uphold, yes. But not in the same manner as the hypostatic union or the incarnation.
We don’t have the Apostles testimony for this, do you?
Nope.
“The Orthodox Church teaches that Mary died a natural death, like any human being; that her soul was received by Christ upon death; and that her body was resurrected on the third day after her repose, at which time she was taken up, bodily only, into heaven. Her tomb was found empty on the third day.” Wiki-Pedia
So is this not correct? Then where is the “evidence” of testimony?
Not fully, no.
Cav what I see as “historical” factual evidence I post, thats what I am asking you to do? If you don’t have it or can’t then state that. So then YOUR belief is based on a Tradition which in fact cannot be “proven” with the Dormition?
Historical evidence for the end of the Theotokos’ life is scant if it exists at all. We have quite a few pseudepigraphical works, but those can hardly be considered historical evidence.
My oh my and we should talk about the IC in the same regard right?
No, because the dormition narrative is not dogmatic for us. It is like an icon. We hold it to be true not because it is a physically accurate depiction of what happened upon the repose of the Theotokos, but because it reveals a greater truth to us. Just as it does not matter if my icon of Christ is composed of wood, paper, or stone, or if it is painted in acrylic, egg tempura, wax, or printed with ink, or if the image on it resembles what Christ physically looked like in the slightest, so long as the truth revealed by the icon remains the same, so too does it not matter if the dormition is an accurate depiction of the repose of the Theotokos, because truth is not correspondence.
Whats the Queen of Heavens responsibility from the Eastern perspective? Would Love to hear this.
This is the sort of stuff I’m talking about. The title Queen of Heaven is simply a poetic title for the Theotokos. It was never intended to have a particular dogma or responsibility attached to it. When taken in the context of the incarnation, it should be obvious that Queen of heaven is a term that refers not to a particular responsibility, but to the honor that is due to the Mother of our God. She is a Queen by honor, to be honored above all other kings, saints and created beings, with the exception of her Son, for the role she played in the economy of our salvation. Why people are not content to stop at that, but would wish to extrapolate from that poetic title ideas and interpretations unknown to the fathers, I do not understand.
What part “exactly” are you more in line with? I’m confused with that claim. You mean you’d rather ignore history, is that sort of like like denial?
Earliest known feast days…East.
Then we disagree. The rest of the statement doesn’t strenghten your case as thats a two-way street. 