Orthodox Anglicans

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there are so many different groups of anglicans now that i get very confused.
i think anglicanism will continue to split into different groups.
 
I read Virtue Online every week. The ongoing trials and tribulations make fascinating reading.

They certainly don’t mean orthodox in the sense that we would recognize. They mean evangelical protestant orthodox, which I don’t believe has ever been properly defined. They are just traditionalist evangelicals, I guess. Some seem to be high-church, and at least as many (probably more) are low-church, although I noticed they always refer to their ministers as priests on VOL.

Some think of themselves as truly Catholic (with a big ‘C’) but they are not Papal Catholic, nor Orthodox Catholic.

Of course, there is a lot of strength in their convictions, which are based primarily on how they read the Bible (as compared to their “liberal” opposing numbers, who seem to disregard significant Biblical admonitions).

Many have walked away from parish property they had contributed to for generations, and priests from livings and (probably) pensions. The press is not usually very kind to them. They are committed conservative Protestants.
 
deborahaz said:
there are so many different groups of anglicans now that i get very confused.
i think anglicanism will continue to split into different groups.
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I don’t mean to sound uncharitable here but why do you even care? What is it to you if the AC splits into a million pieces?
 
SIA said:
I don’t mean to sound uncharitable here but why do you even care? What is it to you if the AC splits into a million pieces?
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i keep reading about these anglican groups that i have never heard of before.
why would i not care? do you think it is good for any of us to see the anglican communion unravel? no, it is sad. i guess if you are anglican and can find the one little niche you like to belong to, that is fine. somehow, maybe they will all find a way to co-exist with one another and remain one communion. i hope that answers your rude remark.
 
deborahaz said:
i keep reading about these anglican groups that i have never heard of before.
why would i not care? do you think it is good for any of us to see the anglican communion unravel? no, it is sad. i guess if you are anglican and can find the one little niche you like to belong to, that is fine. somehow, maybe they will all find a way to co-exist with one another and remain one communion. i hope that answers your rude remark.
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I am an Anglican in the Church of Uganda and we are anything but unravelling. Our Diocese is growing by leaps and our leaders are more focused than ever. I am proud to be an Anglican in the good graces of our God.
 
SIA said:
I am an Anglican in the Church of Uganda and we are anything but unravelling. Our Diocese is growing by leaps and our leaders are more focused than ever. I am proud to be an Anglican in the good graces of our God.
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yes, i remember you SIA. are you literally in the church of uganda, or are you a member of an anglican church in america which is under the church of uganda. the anglican church i belonged to in america was affiliated with orombi. bishop guernsey was also someone associated with our church.
hopefully, churches such as yours will continue to grow. they emphasize evangelization, so hopefully, they will grow. there are other areas of the anglican communion i am not so sure about. aren’t you part of gafcon?
 
deborahaz said:
what would papal catholic be in the anglican world?
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Perhaps Anglican Use Catholics could be called Papal. But really if some member of the Anglican Communion were to claim that these people are not really Anglicans I could understand that. Even the Vatican considers them Latin Catholics ‘using’ the Anglican liturgy temporarily.

There is also the TAC, which has affirmed Latin Catholic dogmas. It is not actually part of the greater Anglican Communion either, having been separated for some years now (it is also not a very numerous group). Since they have suggested a reconciliation with Rome I suppose they could be called ‘Papal’ or ‘Papal-leaning’. It appears there just are not very many left within the Anglican Communion who think like that.
 
deborahaz said:
yes, i remember you SIA. are you literally in the church of uganda, or are you a member of an anglican church in america which is under the church of uganda. the anglican church i belonged to in america was affiliated with orombi. bishop guernsey was also someone associated with our church.
hopefully, churches such as yours will continue to grow. they emphasize evangelization, so hopefully, they will grow. there are other areas of the anglican communion i am not so sure about. aren’t you part of gafcon?
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Yes we are. In fact, we have a wonderful photograph of the bishops who attended GAFCON with Jerusalem in the backdrop. Breathtakingly beautiful photo!
 
Hesychios said:
Perhaps Anglican Use Catholics could be called Papal. But really if some member of the Anglican Communion were to claim that these people are not really Anglicans I could understand that. Even the Vatican considers them Latin Catholics ‘using’ the Anglican liturgy temporarily.

There is also the TAC, which has affirmed Latin Catholic dogmas. It is not actually part of the greater Anglican Communion either, having been separated for some years now (it is also not a very numerous group). Since they have suggested a reconciliation with Rome I suppose they could be called ‘Papal’ or ‘Papal-leaning’. It appears there just are not very many left within the Anglican Communion who think like that.
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There actually is a very small category, mainly within the Church of Engand, as opposed to Anglicanism generally, that can be called Anglo-Papalist. These would be folks a little further into the Tiber than your average Anglo-Catholic. It is diffcult to tell just what keeps them from making the complete trip, but there they are.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
deborahaz said:
there are so many different groups of anglicans now that i get very confused.
i think anglicanism will continue to split into different groups.
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I’m pretty good on Anglican taxonomy, and I need a scorecard these days.

GKC
 
“what would papal catholic be in the anglican world?”

In the Anglican world a “papal” catholic would be a Roman Catholic or, more simply, an RC.

From what I have been able to gather, calling a Catholic a Roman Catholic (or papist) was an insult in protestant England beginning in the late 16th century. Anglicans are often fastidious about making the distinction–there are Anglican Catholics and Roman Catholics. My own brother corrects me every time I call myself simply “Catholic.”

I converted in 1997, by the way. My beloved brother can’t see the forest for the trees, although he was always more evangelical than I was, for lack of a better word. The evangelicals consider themselves to be protestant. The higher church types (which I was) consider themselves to be Catholic.

In any case, he is now part of something called the Reformed Episcopal Church, but he calls himself an orthodox Anglican. Go figure.
 
udoc89 said:
“what would papal catholic be in the anglican world?”

In the Anglican world a “papal” catholic would be a Roman Catholic or, more simply, an RC.

From what I have been able to gather, calling a Catholic a Roman Catholic (or papist) was an insult in protestant England beginning in the late 16th century. Anglicans are often fastidious about making the distinction–there are Anglican Catholics and Roman Catholics. My own brother corrects me every time I call myself simply “Catholic.”

I converted in 1997, by the way. My beloved brother can’t see the forest for the trees, although he was always more evangelical than I was, for lack of a better word. The evangelicals consider themselves to be protestant. The higher church types (which I was) consider themselves to be Catholic.

In any case, he is now part of something called the Reformed Episcopal Church, but he calls himself an orthodox Anglican. Go figure.
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Generally, to use the term “orthodox” to refer to Anglicans just means that they are not heretical, or apostate, a distinction more and more necesarry in today’s world… Anglicanism once had a rather broad range of doctrine under a generally orthodox, Creedal umbrella. No longer true.

I sometimes refer to myself as an orthodox Anglican, sometimes as a traditional Anglican. These are not formal jurisdictional titles, like the REC. It just means I’m (probably) recogniseably Christian, and Anglican, in an historical sense.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus
 
GKC said:
Generally, to use the term “orthodox” to refer to Anglicans just means that they are not heretical, or apostate, a distinction more and more necesarry in today’s world… Anglicanism once had a rather broad range of doctrine under a generally orthodox, Creedal umbrella. No longer true.

I sometimes refer to myself as an orthodox Anglican, sometimes as a traditional Anglican. These are not formal jurisdictional titles, like the REC. It just means I’m (probably) recogniseably Christian, and Anglican, in an historical sense.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus
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With a name like “GKC,” I’m sure you are–recogniseably Christian, that is 🙂 So is my brother. I’m just impatient for him to follow his wife’s example and swim the Tiber.

UDOC89
 
udoc89 said:
With a name like “GKC,” I’m sure you are–recogniseably Christian, that is 🙂 So is my brother. I’m just impatient for him to follow his wife’s example and swim the Tiber.

UDOC89
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I thank you. Though I know of an agnostic Chesterton enthusiast.

GKC
 
i think probably the anglican church in africa might be one of the healthiest.
i don’t know if they are grappling with some of the issues of the communion in other areas of the world. when i say healthy, i don’t think on that continent there are different types of anglicanism. i might be wrong.
 
deborahaz said:
when i say healthy, i don’t think on that continent there are different types of anglicanism. i might be wrong.
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There are differences within African Anglicanism, but they’re not as pronounced as they are in Europe and America (the ordination of women is one such area where different African provinces differ). In any case the more Anglo-Catholic folks within the AC and the Continuum are leery (at best, denigrating at worst) of most of the African churches since their brand of Anglicanism is much more evangelical/protestant flavored than what they think is proper for Anglicans.

I’m not sure if the feeling is mutual, since I can’t recall ever seeing anything from Abp Orombi or Akinola etc regarding the theological issues that divide the two factions.
 
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