Orthodox bishop shares Communion with Catholics

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I wonder how His Eminence will answer this, as this would violate Orthodox teaching regarding communion from other churches.
 
Milliardo said:
I wonder how His Eminence will answer this, as this would violate Orthodox teaching regarding communion from other churches.
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Just curious, where is it taught in the Orthodox deposit of faith, that this is not allowed?
 
Chaldean_Rite said:
Just curious, where is it taught in the Orthodox deposit of faith, that this is not allowed?
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For some of us, that is the $64K question. What is boldy asserted to be the correct teaching often times appears to be speculation, private opinion or the tradition of living memory.
 
Well I’ve heard from many apologists on EWTN that Catholics and Orthodox can share communion. That is surely my understanding. Why is this even an issue?
 
rien said:
Well I’ve heard from many apologists on EWTN that Catholics and Orthodox can share communion. That is surely my understanding. Why is this even an issue?
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True, the Catholic Church allows members of the Orthodox Churches to receive communion. It is in most missals you will find in the pews at a parish.

That being said, it goes on to say that the Orthodox believe must follow what their Church teaches in this matter. Most Orthodox Churches do not allow this.
 
rien said:
Well I’ve heard from many apologists on EWTN that Catholics and Orthodox can share communion. That is surely my understanding. Why is this even an issue?
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It’s an issue because some people oppose using the Eucharist as a “tool” to achieve communion. Some of us hold that profaning the Sacred Body and Blood of Christ is not the best way to draw people to the Catholic Church.
 
Milliardo said:
I wonder how His Eminence will answer this, as this would violate Orthodox teaching regarding communion from other churches.
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If so, then it is a very bad idea 😦 **- & it’s not fair to the rest of the Orthodox, if it contravenes Orthodox sacramental discipline. It is quite dangerous, in fact, because if they don’t respect their own discipline, who else is going to ? It would a be a great shame if this action were to prove counter-productive. **​

**There is a link to a (very large) picture here: **
 
CatholicNerd said:
It sends the message that our belief in the validity of their orders is not mere lip-service.
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Not for nothing but they no well already that Rome recognizes their orders. When one of their numbers who is a deacon, priest or bishop comes into the Catholic Church, they are always recieved as such.

I don’t think that really was the intent.
 
Jackie Kennedy did it decades ago…She married Ari Onassis and got into the communion line at a Catholic church

People were really mad because Ari was divorced , and here she was receiving the host

A Catholic priest said that the Greek Orthodox and the Catholics could receive communion from one another, in certain circumstances

It made quite a splash in the papers and had some Catholics up in arms…I don’t know about Chaldeans, it might be the same thing
 
Dauphin said:
It’s sacrilege because this Bishop publicly rejects the Catholic faith.

He rejects the filioque, the immaculate conception and Papal supremacy. These are dogmatic articles of the Catholic faith. It is sinful to reject them.

Anyone who rejects any article of the Catholic faith may not receive Communion. Period. If they do, they have committed a sacrilegious act.
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I think that if you study Eastern Orthodoxy, and Eastern tradition in general, you’ll find that the situation is not as clear cut as you’re painting it. The Metropolitan doesn’t necessarily reject anything of the Catholic Faith (thought he might, I don’t know; my point is that merely being Orthodox is not an immediate proof that he does), though he does operate outside the jurisdiction of the Catholic Church.

Peace and God bless!
 
“We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the Blessed Virgin Mary, at the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace of the Omnipotent God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of mankind, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and therefore should firmly and constantly be believed by all the faithful.” - Pope Pius IX, defining the dogma of the Immaculate Conception

Do the Orthodox believe this? No. (I hope one of them lurking around here will attest to this, since some people don’t seem to agree.)

How then, can it be said that they hold the Catholic faith?
 
Dauphin said:
I’m aware of Canon 844. This Canon is a tremendous error and an invitation to sacrilege.

If you reject any article of the Catholic faith, you cannot receive Communion. Period. This is a Divine law which does not change.

Nonsense. The Orthodox reject explicitly defined articles of Catholic dogma. To deny this is absurd.
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The Magisterium of the Church doesn’t seem to think this.

Most of the disagreements are issues of form, rather than substance. The Orthodox dislike formal declarations on subjects they feel to be laden with mystery. Hence, they have difficulties with the PROCLAMATIONS of the Immaculate Conception and Papal Infallibity. But, they hold the underlying beliefs: sinlessness of Mary, and infallibility of Magisterial teaching.

God Bless
 
bilop said:
The Magisterium of the Church doesn’t seem to think this.

Most of the disagreements are issues of form, rather than substance. The Orthodox dislike formal declarations on subjects they feel to be laden with mystery. Hence, they have difficulties with the PROCLAMATIONS of the Immaculate Conception and Papal Infallibity. But, they hold the underlying beliefs: sinlessness of Mary, and infallibility of Magisterial teaching.

God Bless
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This is just mushy thinking. Either the Orthodox hold the Catholic faith or they do not. There is no mystical “in between”.

If they can assent to the immaculate conception, the filioque, and Papal supremacy, then they should join the Catholic Church. If they cannot assent to these doctrines, then they should not be receiving Holy Communion. Period.
 
bilop said:
As Ghosty had pointed out, ironically, YOU are rejecting Papal Supremacy.

Rome has spoken, they are free to receive in Catholic Churches.

The Church views the Orthodox as Catholics. Seperated, but not heretical. Just like the SSPX.

Don’t you want reunion with the Orthodox?

God Bless
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You’re not presenting any kind of argument. You’re engaged in mushy thinking. The Orthodox do not accept certain articles of Catholic doctrine, so they should not receive Communion.

This is a matter of obedience to the eternal magisterium. If the Pope says the Orthodox are permitted to commit sacrilege, that hardly means that the Catholic faithful have to think it’s a good idea.
 
Dear Dauphin,

I think that you are not seeing what Ghosty has been trying to patiently point out to you.

Fact is, there could be one of many reasons why the Bishop is not in the Catholic Communion. He could be one who is in works of reconciling his Church with the Catholic Church and moving towards the union. He could have issues with expression of faith as it is in the Catholic Church and has not yet reconciled it with the tradition which he has become bishop in. There could be many other various reasons.

Also, do not forget that he has a flock that he is shepherd to, and he must also take care of the souls in that flock. Please do not be too hasty in screaming sacrilege. You certainly do not know this person and his intentions, and I think you should have a bit of trust that perhaps Bishop Alexandru {the Catholic bishop} knows something about this more than you or me.

Also, be careful when thinking that you know better than the Pope and the congregations and bishops. From your posts, it seems that you have neither taken very great pains to understand the Eastern Churches view nor to be familiar with their history especially in regards to the breaks that lamentably took place.

You are not trying to be understanding as to the Catholic Church’s beliefs with regards to the apostolic churches in the East. You are also presuming to take upon yourself the ability to judge an act as sacrilege when you have not the ability to determine the intention/position of the person in question, nor the authority of the Church or Her tradition behind you.

Be a bit more charitable. Be a bit more understanding of why the Church acts as it does.

In my particular example, please look at:

Guidelines

Note how it begins:
Given the great distress of many Chaldean and Assyrian faithful…
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These guidelines and provisions were done in a spirit of charity. But it also states in the conclusion of the guidelines:
Considering the liturgical tradition of the Assyrian Church of the East, the doctrinal clarification regarding the validity of the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, the contemporary context in which both Assyrian and Chaldean faithful are living, the appropriate regulations which are foreseen in official documents of the Catholic Church, and the process of rapprochement between the Chaldean Church and the Assyrian Church of the East…
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So charity played a role, but not based on some “mushy thinking.” The councils and congregations that worked on this studied, researched, prayed, and elaborated on the issue.

And, also note in the conclusion of the provision:
They are still travelling, with hope and courage, towards that blessed day when full and visible communion will be attained
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For me, and my diocese, and many other souls… we have already celebrated that blessed day, and now we work for the blessed day that we are joined by those who did not have the hope and courage to take that step.

In Him,
Anthony
 
Some say this didn’t actually take place…that bishop Corneanu did not take the Eucharist.

God bless!
Stefania
 
angelheart said:
Some say this didn’t actually take place…that bishop Corneanu did not take the Eucharist.

God bless!
Stefania
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There are photographs of him receiving from a chalice of some sort. Have I missed something? 😊
 
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