Orthodox Catholics in Higher Education

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I am a senior at Haverford College about to get a BA in Anthropology (which seems more like a pseudo-science everyday). I’m very interested in getting an MA and PhD medieval history and then becoming an academic. But my problem is that I am, or want to be at least, a fathful and orthodox Catholic, and the study of history in the modern world is shaped by modernism, post-modernism, Marxism, radical feminism and all sorts of other dysfunctional philosophies.

As a student in Anthropology, I know that no matter how neutral a professor pretends to be, he has a religion just like I do, and he’ll go to great lengths to challenge data and condemn thinkers who aren’t convinced of his religion. I have a professor for example, a cultural relativist, who has gone on television to support same-sex marriage on the grounds that there is no natural law, since cultures vary so much, and how a person acts is determined not by any sort of natural law, rationale or God, but by his or her culture. He doesn’t hesitate to present highly depbatable ideas, such as the idea that race is a social construction, as accepted fact. When people like this are in the majority, your average conservative, let alone a Roman Catholic, doesn’t stand a chance.

And to make matters worse, these philosophies permeate historical study as well. Modern academics go in search of data to support their religion, and this is what they publish. When everyone a university hires is a feminist, there’s no one there to challenge their methods. They’re all of the same religion. For an undergraduate of a different religion, you have no option but to digest the facts and only the facts these recent historians want you to know. Even if common sense tells you that modern societies aren’t permeated by racism, sexism and intolerance to the extent they tell you they are, the stories and data professors teach you is only data that suggests it is. We might know more about the Middle Ages than we did a hundred years ago, but there must be data that people have ignored, or dismissed as negligible since is didn’t support their Marxist theories which they “knew” to be true. As a student, you can only view history through your teacher’s glasses. But what do you do when you want to learn, but know your teacher has the wrong prescription?

It seems like the only way to escape this would be to find an orthodox historian. One who acknowledges the same heavenly authority you do and sees past the Marxist, post-modernist and modernist analysis. Already knowing what is true, he can see the true patterns in the world that are the product of the order he already knows is there. But where are these historians? Even the Jesuits have caved in. Admired by modern day academics as “free thinkers,” pro-abortion Jesuits are nothing but weak minded Catholics who caved into the modern pressures to be the same. Can you honestly tell me that in academia, it takes more courage to be pro-abortion than pro-life? They’re not free thinkers at all.

I really want to study history and be admitted to a good program, but if everything you learn has been censored by Marxists before it gets to you, you aren’t relaly learning anything. Any advice would help.
 
Go and study what you want to study and be the change you want to see in the world I don’t see what the problem is, you do not have to think the way your teachers do.

Don’t get discouraged if you’re the minority, if you’re true to yourself and the truth you believe in, you’ll make a difference.
 
Hello mcliffor,

I think your view and fear of University professors is right on target. From what I have seen, most professors want you to have an open mind in your studies in order to come to the same narrow prospective that they have.

I think that if you really want a non-biased education, you should do it on your own. You do the research, you choose the books (with the understanding that authors are again Univesity profesors, or the like, and have their own biases), you do the leg work, you talk with as many intelectuals as will talk to you.

It will not get you the presitgous Phd to hang on your wall or the government grants but I believe it will give you as much freedom from intelectual bias as you can get.

I agree with you on the Jesuits. I thought I would widen my Catholic knowledge of God by taking a class titled The Gospel of Jesus Christ at Seattle University, a Catholic Jesuit college*.* The ex-nun profesor told the class her thoughts on God’s will for our purpose in life. The professor said, “I believe that God wants us to have a good sexual relationship. Whether it is a sexual relationship bettween a woman and a woman or the sexual relationship bettween a man and a man or even the sexual relationship between a man and a woman, I belive that God’s greatest desire and our purpose in life is to have a good sexual relationship.”

If you want a professors personal philosophys, take a college coarse. If you want to truly learn, seek out wisdom, books, and understanding on your own.

That is my two cents.
 
I really want to study history and be admitted to a good program, but if everything you learn has been censored by Marxists before it gets to you, you aren’t relaly learning anything. Any advice would help.
Aw, c’mon. Just pick your school well. You could go to Notre Dame (hahahahahaha - just kidding). Seriously, though, there are actually good Catholic universities out there (for example, Franciscan University of Steubenville, where you could take classes instructed by Dr. Scott Hann, although they don’t offer a history major specifically in medieval history - only history in general). But I would be astonished to learn that there were NO good Catholic universities which offered such a program. However, you may need to consider a school which is not in the United States.
 
DavidFilmer,

I’m just curious…is your post a slam against Notre Dame? If so, you might want to watch what you say. Some people could get really offended. And, I don’t think that is the Christian thing to do.

God Bless.
 
I would say just be aware, as you seem very much to be.

As a professor of mine once put it, “If I step on your toes, know I wasn’t aiming for them”

I would be aware of the agenda people have, and that will assist you in sifting through their information.

Also, look to see what professors seem to be the least biased, and take classes with them. Even a biased professor who is confronted with his or her bias should open up a little bit. Especially if they use the socratic method, they should be open to discussion, rather than closed off to it.

Good luck

A lone Raven
 
I remember being offended in an undergrad Classical Literature class by a professor referring to “the Christian myth of Adam and Eve.” I was a lot newer to the faith, a lot younger, and a lot less familiar with universities. I knew that anything that I said would merely sound like blind repetition of someone else’s ideas. Were I in the same position now, my response would involve less shock, and more than a few critical questions.

While I would not be able to prove that Adam and Eve were not mythical, I could certainly prove that the professor could not prove that the were mythical. His belief was exactly as flawed as the belief which he opposed.

Ideology biases epistemology, and epistemology controls analysis. For this reason, academics have a natural, and entirely reasonable, tendency to be suspicious of anyone who adheres closely to any ideological viewpoint, because any such person will tend to skew his or her representation of the data, and we all hate that.

Yes, there are plenty of devout postmodernists and Marxists and feminists and revisionists of all stamps, but there are also plenty of people who make fun of each other for being so. As you must have seen in your studies of historiography, book-wars are constantly waged over these ideologies and their relative merits with respect to academia. No ideology is safe, not even scepticism.

Nonetheless, scepticism is popular, and it is popular for a reason. The joy and the sorrow of the Humanities is that we deal not in the concrete facts of hard science, but in the murky probabilities and possibilities of human behaviours. We have sources and representations and essays and arguments, not facts and equations. We are no longer in high school, and so we can no longer claim that something is ‘true’ if there is any possibility that it might not be.

Present us with a paper which says, “Thus it was, because X Church says so,” and no academic worth his or her pay will believe you. On the other hand, present us with a paper which says, “Thus it most probably was, because A, B, C, D, and E (who just happen to be Early Church Fathers) all claim that it was, and they are the nearest and most reliable sources that we have”, all of this argument clearly demonstrated as being the most reasonable logical conclusion on the basis of the data available to us, and your audience will smile and nod and wish that they had students like you.

Last but not least, do not dismiss the postmodernists or the Marxists or the feminists, or any of the others, merely because the loudest among them are daft idiots. All of them have had good things to say, and have introduced useful tools which the rest of us can take and apply to our own studies, and which the less docile of us can then turn upon their inventors.

Down with the gynarchy! Positive discrimination is discrimination against individuals who were born into the majority group! If all beliefs are equally valid, then your pluralism cannot be more valid than my faith! Postmodernism does not mean!
I really want to study history and be admitted to a good program, but if everything you learn has been censored by Marxists before it gets to you, you aren’t relaly learning anything. Any advice would help.
Stop reading the commentaries. Read the sources, and only then read the commentaries and only so as to avoid repeating what someone else has already discovered. Then talk about what the data say, and how X commentary misinterprets it, and Y commentary misreads it, and Z commentary does not seem to have read it at all.

There are many factions in every faculty, but, ultimately, our religion is epistemism: we worship knowledge. We will valorise whoever can bring it to us.
 
Thanks for all that you said, Mystophilus. I’m cynical enough (and have had enough experience), to doubt that many teachers at the higher ed level subscribe to such a valid description of how things should be, except, of course, in theory.

I think OP should take all that you said to heart in the hope that his circumstance will permit just such an education. Should that be the case, he might really look forward to a PhD. As well as taking up space on the wall, it could provide a roof over the family and food on the table.

Steve Merten’s comments reflect more accurately what I have seen and lived, and they explain why so many people have spent their lives toiling at what for them are mundane tasks in order to indulge their avocations in whatever free time they can squeeze out.

Anna
 
Steve Merten’s comments reflect more accurately what I have seen and lived, and they explain why so many people have spent their lives toiling at what for them are mundane tasks in order to indulge their avocations in whatever free time they can squeeze out.
I understand what you mean, but I tend to be biased against dependence upon self-study, for the very reason that universities actually exist: peer review.

As noted, ideology biases study, and the ideology towards which most people are the most blind is their own. Because they believe that something is true, they do not stop to examine that belief, and they frequently employ that belief in their analysis of other topics, most often without even realising that they are doing so. The greatest danger lies in following a given ideology, and then including within that a belief in something which is not actually an original part of that ideology.

In Christian terms, one of the most obvious examples of this might be the Prosperity Gospel, the all-too-popular modern belief which claims, “God wants to bless you with material wealth!” Accepting that as part of their belief in Christianity, many go on to assume it as true in the rest of their understanding of the world.

This is where universities come into their own. The purpose of an academic system is to bring together a wide pool of dedicated students of a given field so that, merely by being different, holding different assumptions, and consequently being aware of others’ contradictory assumptions, they can point out the flaws and the assumptions in each other’s work, thus raising the accuracy of the conclusions produced from that work.

It also helps to prevent us from reinventing the wheel. Rather than spending my life searching for the answer to a question already answered more effectively by someone else, I can spend it finding new answers to new questions, or querying old answers to old questions so as to determine whether they were as accurate as everyone once thought. In both cases, the sum of human knowledge is advanced, which is what I would describe, from the point of view of my ideological bias, as a nett Good.
 
I am a senior at Haverford College about to get a BA in Anthropology (which seems more like a pseudo-science everyday). I’m very interested in getting an MA and PhD medieval history and then becoming an academic. But my problem is that I am, or want to be at least, a fathful and orthodox Catholic, and the study of history in the modern world is shaped by modernism, post-modernism, Marxism, radical feminism and all sorts of other dysfunctional philosophies.

As a student in Anthropology, I know that no matter how neutral a professor pretends to be, he has a religion just like I do, and he’ll go to great lengths to challenge data and condemn thinkers who aren’t convinced of his religion. I have a professor for example, a cultural relativist, who has gone on television to support same-sex marriage on the grounds that there is no natural law, since cultures vary so much, and how a person acts is determined not by any sort of natural law, rationale or God, but by his or her culture. He doesn’t hesitate to present highly depbatable ideas, such as the idea that race is a social construction, as accepted fact. When people like this are in the majority, your average conservative, let alone a Roman Catholic, doesn’t stand a chance.

It is very hard.
If you cannot defend your position philosophically, you tend to defend it by excluding people who disagree. The right have allowed universities to be captured by a motley rabble of feminists, sexual libertines, Marxists, and environmentalists, such that real thinking is often drowned out.

As an undergraduate there is very little you can do to prevent a refusal to regurgitate feminist nonsense being interpreted as an inability to understand it, and thus marked down.

My solution was to become a natural scientist. I have a degree in English lterature, and also one in Biology. That’s not realistic for most people. Otherwise, I’m afraid I have no advice - it may be better to play the game, it may be better to stick to principles and antagonise everyone.

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In Christian terms, one of the most obvious examples of this might be the Prosperity Gospel, the all-too-popular modern belief which claims, “God wants to bless you with material wealth!” Accepting that as part of their belief in Christianity, many go on to assume it as true in the rest of their understanding of the world.
I promise I don’t intend to divert this thread, but this is the second time in a month I have heard someone refer to the Prosperity Gospel. You describe it as the “all-too-popular” Prosperity Gospel, but, truly, I have never even heard of it till now, and I am generally “up” on things.

Where have you heard anyone preach such a thing? I asked the person who first used the phrase, but couldn’t get a specific answer.:confused: :confused: :confused:

Gracie,

Anna
 
I promise I don’t intend to divert this thread, but this is the second time in a month I have heard someone refer to the Prosperity Gospel. You describe it as the “all-too-popular” Prosperity Gospel, but, truly, I have never even heard of it till now, and I am generally “up” on things.

Where have you heard anyone preach such a thing? I asked the person who first used the phrase, but couldn’t get a specific answer.:confused: :confused: :confused:
You need to spend more time with Prods! 😉

Middle-class Protestant churches are largely non-liturgical. This allows for more … creativity in their sermons. As a result, you have doctrines built upon such passages as “Whatsoever you ask in my Name shall be given unto you”, doctrines which claim that there are no exclusions, and that Christians are only ever poor because they fail to ask for wealth. See what we have invented: Capitalist Christianity!

My Beloved, who grew up in a village of huts made from discarded corrugated iron sheets, still finds such teachings bewildering.

Should you really want to scar your mind, just wander into a Protestant bookshop, avert your eyes from all the “How to Save Catholics” books, and ask where to find the shelves on the Prosperity Gospel, or ‘How to Stand on the Promises of God’.
 
You need to spend more time with Prods! 😉

Middle-class Protestant churches are largely non-liturgical. This allows for more … creativity in their sermons. As a result, you have doctrines built upon such passages as “Whatsoever you ask in my Name shall be given unto you”, doctrines which claim that there are no exclusions, and that Christians are only ever poor because they fail to ask for wealth. See what we have invented: Capitalist Christianity!

My Beloved, who grew up in a village of huts made from discarded corrugated iron sheets, still finds such teachings bewildering.

Should you really want to scar your mind, just wander into a Protestant bookshop, avert your eyes from all the “How to Save Catholics” books, and ask where to find the shelves on the Prosperity Gospel, or ‘How to Stand on the Promises of God’.
Thanks, Mystophilus. I shouldn’t have assumed you meant a Catholic Prosperity Gospel. That explains why I’ve never, ever heard it preached. If anything, I hear the opposite, with the poor to be given preferential treatment.

Thank you,

Anna
 
I have an MA in philosophy and bailed as soon as I could. Let’s face it. . . first, the job market in the humanities is pretty horrible, its a ton of work and you’re always around students. Worse than that, you’re going to ALWAYS be uncomfortable with your colleagues and probably become an island unto yourself, and an easy person to get passed for promotion. Being a grad student will be difficult! But more difficult will be years of being cooped up with such animosity and anti-religious hatred.

If I were in your shoes, I wouldn’t think of it. You can find something else that will make you happier and richer.
 
Thanks, Mystophilus. I shouldn’t have assumed you meant a Catholic Prosperity Gospel. That explains why I’ve never, ever heard it preached. If anything, I hear the opposite, with the poor to be given preferential treatment.
That is where having a centralized authority gives you an advantage: you can limit the degree of craziness much more effectively.

If you want to read some more about it, Time magazine has recently (last week?) run an article on the Prosperity Gospel, and some of its supporters and opponents.
 
If you want to read some more about it, Time magazine has recently (last week?) run an article on the Prosperity Gospel, and some of its supporters and opponents.
There is usally a grain of truth in these things, which is that it is legitimate to pray for money, but the Prosperity Gospel will obviously degenerate into the teaching that those who are not successful with their careers are not real Christians. Since modern economic conditions mean that very few of us enjoy much real security, it is recipie for a great deal of anxiety and needless suffering.
 
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