Orthodox catholics

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Peter_J said:
Including you?
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I would do just about anything to see the reconstruction of the old “Western” Roman Catholic Church. That would make Rome the “Central” part of the Church. We as Catholics need to be willing to give what we can without crossing the line. But we must not cross the line.

Yes, I see this as a modern-day crusade. That’s just my opinion.
 
TEPO said:
I would do just about anything to see the reconstruction of the old “Western” Roman Catholic Church. That would make Rome the “Central” part of the Church. We as Catholics need to be willing to give what we can without crossing the line. But we must not cross the line.

Yes, I see this as a modern-day crusade. That’s just my opinion.
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My feeling are a little mixed at this point. On the one hand, I have to give you credit for providing answers that let us know where you stand. (Earlier I was a bit unclear as to where you stand.) But on the other hand, some of your stances are a bit too shocking for my taste.

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Rome already is the center of the ecclesiology of the Western Church and its Eastern compatriots (since I can’t use the “U” word here on CAF). What more did you have in mind, Tepo?
 
Peter_J said:
My feeling are a little mixed at this point. On the one hand, I have to give you credit for providing answers that let us know where you stand. (Earlier I was a bit unclear as to where you stand.) But on the other hand, some of your stances are a bit too shocking for my taste.

:ehh:
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All I can say is that it’s a miracle in itself that the Eastern parts of the Church are with us considering the Orthodox are so appealing. Also, there have been concessions I believe that have taken place with the Anglicans, from ‘Protestant-land’, where full communion is so close at hand, it seems like a miracle… Who really knows how God works. 🤷
 
TEPO said:
So is the faith of the Eastern and Western parts of the Roman Catholic Church exactly the same to a “T”…?
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Yes, we have the same dogmatic Faith, but Eastern, Oriental and Latin Catholics each have their distinct doctrinal expressions of that same dogmatic Faith.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
TEPO said:
All I can say is that it’s a miracle in itself that the Eastern parts of the Church are with us considering the Orthodox are so appealing.
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That statement’s less shocking. (Well, okay, for a moment I thought it was shocking – I mean, the Union of Brest a miracle?! – but after a little more thought I remembered a homily that a highly-acclaimed ecumenist delivered: Union of Brest Was Work of Holy Spirit, by Pope John Paul II.)
 
TEPO said:
The Byzantine’s would be an example of the Eastern part.
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They are not the Eastern part of the Roman Catholic Church. They are their own particular churches and are in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, which is itself one of the particular churches that together make up the Catholic Church.
 
RyanBlack said:
They are not the Eastern part of the Roman Catholic Church. They are their own particular churches and are in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, which is itself one of the particular churches that together make up the Catholic Church.
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I dont like separatism. We shouldn’t be so hung-up on things like that. You know, it’s just counter-productive really.

As Catholics, we need to band together.
 
TEPO said:
I dont like separatism. We shouldn’t be so hung-up on things like that. You know, it’s just counter-productive really.

As Catholics, we need to band together.
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So the truth is counter-productive? And where’s the separtism in what I said? Would it be separatism if I were to try to call you an Eastern Catholic, and you rightly pointed out to me that you are Roman Catholic, but that your particular church (the Roman Catholic Church) is in communion with my particular church (the Byzantine Catholic Metropolia of Pittsburgh)? I am NOT a Roman Catholic. I am an Eastern Catholic. My church is in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. There’s no separatism here and there’s no failure to band together.
 
RyanBlack said:
So the truth is counter-productive? And where’s the separtism in what I said? Would it be separatism if I were to try to call you an Eastern Catholic, and you rightly pointed out to me that you are Roman Catholic, but that your particular church (the Roman Catholic Church) is in communion with my particular church (the Byzantine Catholic Metropolia of Pittsburgh)? I am NOT a Roman Catholic. I am an Eastern Catholic. My church is in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. There’s no separatism here and there’s no failure to band together.
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Geez Ryan, I didn’t mean it that way. What if I want to start going to a Byzantine Church? I’m still Catholic either way… That’s all that matters to me.
 
TEPO said:
Geez Ryan, I didn’t mean it that way. What if I want to start going to a Byzantine Church? I’m still Catholic either way… That’s all that matters to me.
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Well, of course, if you go to any of the Eastern Catholic Churches, of course, you’re still Catholic, just as when I attend Mass at a Roman Catholic Church, I’m no more or less Catholic than when I’m at my own Eastern Catholic parish. My point is that I reject the conflation of the universal Catholic Church with the particular Church of Rome. They are not one and the same, just as the particular church of which I am a member is not the same as the universal Catholic Church. There are 23 particular churches that make up the Catholic Church. Each is equal in dignity, and those of us Catholics who are members of the Eastern Catholic Churches deserve the dignity of our own identity, without having members of the Roman Catholic Church insist to us that we are “Roman Catholics of the Eastern Rite” or that we are somehow being unfaithful are divisive simply for holding to our own ecclesial and liturgical patrimonies.
 
TEPO said:
I dont like separatism. We shouldn’t be so hung-up on things like that. You know, it’s just counter-productive really.

As Catholics, we need to band together.
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I personally find it troubling that the term “Roman Catholic” can be used to mean either “Latin Catholic” or “anyone in full communion with Rome”. (Incidentally, I’ve recently taken to avoiding the term “Roman Catholic”, for that reason.) I think that, terminology, is the issue here, not separatism.
 
RyanBlack said:
Well, of course, if you go to any of the Eastern Catholic Churches, of course, you’re still Catholic, just as when I attend Mass at a Roman Catholic Church, I’m no more or less Catholic than when I’m at my own Eastern Catholic parish. My point is that I reject the conflation of the universal Catholic Church with the particular Church of Rome. They are not one and the same, just as the particular church of which I am a member is not the same as the universal Catholic Church. There are 23 particular churches that make up the Catholic Church. Each is equal in dignity, and those of us Catholics who are members of the Eastern Catholic Churches deserve the dignity of our own identity, without having members of the Roman Catholic Church insist to us that we are “Roman Catholics of the Eastern Rite” or that we are somehow being unfaithful are divisive simply for holding to our own ecclesial and liturgical patrimonies.
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It is this lack of appreciation (deemed lack of respect by some) for the basic ecclesiatical structure of the Catholic Church, which you well explain, that prevents further progress toward reconciliation as much as anything often cited here.
 
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