Orthodox Christian feeling like West/East are divorced parents

[ronyodish]

It makes sense to some degree. But honestly it wouldn’t have if I hadn’t been recently studing the early church writings, Eusibius, and David Currie’s book which breaks down the information of the church into 5 Catagories: deposit, dogma, doctrine, discipline, and devotion. Explaining how each plays in. He admits of course that these are furhter broken down by the church into more catagories. Protestants don’t think along those lines or in those terms. Most Protestants lump several sections into one title. Like devotion.

Yeah, I do notice the word devotion is popular among the Protestants in that it includes or lumps together more than just a particular spirituality.

However, can you refer me to sources so I can find out more about the different aspects of the Catholic church? Also is
sui iuris Greek? What does it specifically mean?

In addition to what Aramis and Allyson have stated, here is some information:

stmaron.org/origin_identity.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches
east2west.org/FAQ.htm
kaldu.org/Theology_Course_2007/Entire_Course.html

Other online sources:
scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM
intratext.com/IXT/ENG1199/_INDEX.HTM

Books:
byzantines.net/books/index.htm
mari.org/JMS/july01/Teachings.html
dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesTitle/productCd-0764553917.html
amazon.com/Questions-Answers-Eastern-Catholic-Churches/dp/0809144417

Also Protestants will not be reconsiled to each other first. Each is their own authority on scripture and may follow a preferred tennant such as Calvanism. Apart from this there is no Authority to unite them other than scripture but there is no agreement on it. Nothing greater than the individual revelation. So in order for Protestants to reconsile to each other they must recognize a greater authority. So I forsee a reconciliation with the Catholic church before they can reconcile to each other if that makes sense.

Yeah, I agree.

God bless,

Rony

 

[hangoerk]

Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church do not have a common communion cup. So an Eastern Orthodox can not receive communion in a Roman Catholic Church and vis versa.
However that doesn’t stop either party from attending church service in either faith. There are many interfaith marriages involving Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics. So many in fact that the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese as set up an interfaith marriage committee. Many parishes work to help these couples deal with interfaith issues. I highly recommend talking to the priest in The Eastern Orthodox church near where you live. As him how the community helps and works with interfaith christian couples. Also see www.goarch.org (Greek Orthodox archdiocese web site which has links on interfaith Christian marriages)
Laura:
(I’m Eastern Orthodox(Greek) my spouse Unitarian and we manage despite even greater differences in our Christian faith
some religious some cultural.

 

[Aramis]

Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church do not have a common communion cup.

true, kind of…

So an Eastern Orthodox can not receive communion in a Roman Catholic Church and vis versa.

not true.

There is a standing rule in Catholic Canon Law permitting the Orthodox to receive within the Catholic Churc, if they have desire to do so and are properly disposed. Those whose bishops have forbidden it generally are not properly disposed… but exceptions abound.

I’ve heard repeatedly of reciprocity between ACROD and the Ruthenian Catholics, on an informal level. That is, Catholics of the Ruthenian Church being communed at ACROD parishes.

I have experienced such reciprocity from remote Russian Orthodox parishes… the Pastor felt that Byzantine Catholic was “Close Enough” to Orthodox for him.

Different EO synods have different rules on the matter, and several have avoided specific canons in their rules so as to leave the decision to the bishops, or even to the pastors.

But, any EO who believes the Catholic Eucharist is valid, and believes they have need of it, and are prepared for reception is, by canon law, to be admitted to communion.

The same for confession.

 

[sambos671]

ronyodish,

what about the latin church offended you?

 

[Jofantioch]

Read the original post!

I am Orthodox and in love with a Roman. That’s the post.

Please post a new question if you want to wander off topic. I really need help with this struggle and these tangents are not helping.

Thanks

Suzanne

 

[Chris_McAvoy]

Why are we continuing to honor a separation that is detrimental to the Church of Christ?

We have pride and ignorance, both in laity and hierarchy, east, west, north, south, it is our shame and sin. The Pater Familias has mercy on us. Patience and fortitude in our journey of education and cultural understanding are the virtues to counter deadly sin.

 

[Chris_McAvoy]

I’m perfectly happy belonging to a Roman Parish. We’ll see if he will propose.

My only advice is to encourage that parish to use some form of Gregorian, Old Roman, Corsican, Ambrosian or Byzantine Chanting in their liturgy it will probably make it a lot more satisfying. Thats the main way I can handle Latin liturgies, the contemporary music makes me bonkers and had a lot to do with instigating me becoming Melkite.

anglicanhistory.org/music/gradual/

Almost any parish can use that, at least few of the chants in there are not much altered and go back to the 700’s (old roman repertoire). the best part is that it is in english, no one will be scared of it.

 

[sambos671]

Read the original post!

I am Orthodox and in love with a Roman. That’s the post.

Please post a new question if you want to wander off topic. I really need help with this struggle and these tangents are not helping.

Thanks

Suzanne

With my discussions with a Father Christopher from the Orthodox Church it seems they believe you may not leave their church and return. So as a matter of Faith, it seems you must ask yourself this question: Does my salvation depend on which church I partake in? Then ask: “will marrying a Catholic jepardize my salvation?” A practicing Catholic will want to raise their children as Catholic. Will this be an issue? Catholics are far more generous than Orthodox in that you can always return to the church in repentance. Love for another human being is wonderful and requires self sacrifice much like our Lord Sacrificed himself for us by his incarnation, poverty, service, and crusifiction. Can you “lower” youself to serve your loved one? Are you willing to give up wealth, ambition, even dreams and desires for them? Are you willing to serve their needs material and spiritual? Are you willing to lay down your life in all respects for them? This is why it is problematic for mixed faiths to be joined. Are you willing to give up Orthodoxy for them? For an Orthodox this could be salvation. This would not be an issue for members of the same faith. Your ultimate question to yourself regarding this issue is where does your salvation and justification lie? What do you believe? If you are not willing to give up Orthodoxy and they are not willing to give up Catholicism you will have difficulties and they will be much deeper than how you pay bills each month. Those are just my thoughts about it. I pray for the Lord guidance in your life.

 

[Chris_McAvoy]

Catholics are far more generous than Orthodox in that you can always return to the church in repentance.

I think that you are mistaken, I do not think that it is true about the Orthodox Church.

 

[Woodstock]

I think that you are mistaken, I do not think that it is true about the Orthodox Church.

I’m having deja vu.

I’ll pray for you, Suzanne.

 

[Hesychios]

In my parish (Orthodox) we have a family which is composed of a wife who is Orthodox, a husband who is Latin catholic, and three children.

In spite of the fact that the three children are being raised Orthodox (the mother is also the catechist for the parish) the father has maintained his membership in the Latin church, and about 1-1/2 years ago was ordained a Latin Catholic Deacon. I realize he must have been in the process of training for that at least four years prior.

His bishop (Cardinal George) and hers (or mine, in other words) are both fully aware of the situation as a mixed marriage. The family does alternate between parishes. I cannot speak to whether my bishop has blessed the girls to receive communion in the Latin church, but possibly they have. I know he always refrains from receiving when he is worshiping with them.

I thought it a most interesting development.

Michael

 

[Jofantioch]

I honestly believe that a church in the apostolic line from Peter and a church in the apostolic line from Andrew, James, Bartholomew, or Paul should not be out of communion with one another. One is not “better” than any other. If you’re willing to “swim the Tiber”, certainly you could swim the Jordan and the Nile. I think that’s the point of Peter being “first among equals”. The other apostles were important too. They were just as much fathers of the church as Peter.

I wouldn’t be “lowering” myself to be part of the Roman church. I ALREADY AM part of the Roman church. When I was chrismated, I joined the apostolic See. I know that the two sides don’t officially recognize union with the other, but I also know that they are all the same church. Latins can learn from the East about full-body worship:bowdown: , music that is over 1000 years old, and a close and personal form of confession that is indescribably beautiful. Orthodox can learn from the West about what it means to be truely Catholic instead of compartmentalized and ethnic:grouphug: , the spiritual joys of natural family planning, and the support of a huge and well-connected organization in Christ.

I encourage everyone who has been subscribing to this thread to attend and get to know the other side. You don’t know what you’re missing. It’s awesome. I feel like I found my other lung!

 

[ThereseMarie]

I honestly believe that a church in the apostolic line from Peter and a church in the apostolic line from Andrew, James, Bartholomew, or Paul should not be out of communion with one another. One is not “better” than any other. If you’re willing to “swim the Tiber”, certainly you could swim the Jordan and the Nile. I think that’s the point of Peter being “first among equals”. The other apostles were important too. They were just as much fathers of the church as Peter.

I wouldn’t be “lowering” myself to be part of the Roman church. I ALREADY AM part of the Roman church. When I was chrismated, I joined the apostolic See. I know that the two sides don’t officially recognize union with the other, but I also know that they are all the same church. Latins can learn from the East about full-body worship:bowdown: , music that is over 1000 years old, and a close and personal form of confession that is indescribably beautiful. Orthodox can learn from the West about what it means to be truely Catholic instead of compartmentalized and ethnic:grouphug: , the spiritual joys of natural family planning, and the support of a huge and well-connected organization in Christ.

I encourage everyone who has been subscribing to this thread to attend and get to know the other side. You don’t know what you’re missing. It’s awesome. I feel like I found my other lung!

JofAntioch,

I can appreciate all you have said here, and to me, you sound very joyful. Glory to Jesus Christ!

I wanted to give you my perspective. My husband and I are both cradle Latin Rite Catholics, who fell away from the Church around the same time in our lives (before we ever met) and then together started our journey Home. We are now back in ‘Rome’, (although our newest love is the Divine Liturgy in a Ruthenian Church we found) and are LOVING every minute of sharing what we learn about our Faith with each other, and teaching our children everything we have learned. There is something very, very beautiful about a man and woman who are “one” in every single aspect of their lives. I know a lot of “mixed” marriages that are able to work out their differences in faith (usually by attending separate churches ), but there is a lot to be said for being on the same page in the same Church.

I pray everyday for our Churches to be united, as Our Lord desires us to be, because, as you say, it just isn’t right for us to be apart!

God Bless you,

 

[Jofantioch]

JofAntioch,

We are now back in ‘Rome’, (although our newest love is the Divine Liturgy in a Ruthenian Church we found) and are LOVING every minute of sharing what we learn about our Faith with each other, and teaching our children everything we have learned. There is something very, very beautiful about a man and woman who are “one” in every single aspect of their lives. I know a lot of “mixed” marriages that are able to work out their differences in faith (usually by attending separate churches ), but there is a lot to be said for being on the same page in the same Church.

,

Thanks so much for your post. We’ve been attending an Eastern church. There was a presanctified liturgy on Wednesday and it was so wonderful sharing communion with my boyfriend. It’s the most intimate thing that we can do together and I treasure it.

I’m so glad that you found your other lung too. Congratulations and welcome to the new perspective.

As to the term “mixed marriage”, I understand your meaning, but we are both Catholic. There’s something so fundemental about our understanding of Christ. I never had this with any Orthodox boyfriend and he never had this with a Latin woman. Unfortunately, in both churches, many (if not most) don’t really live the faith. The wonderful thing is that a Christian woman and a Christian man are easy to recognize, even if their practice has a different accent.

May God bless you always.

 

[hangoerk]

the two have been seperated since the Great Schism 1054
many issues are involved
**including but not limited to **
cultural differences
The reciting of the Creed
The views on the Pope
Easter dating
communion

It wasn’t all that long ago when they both agreed to do away with the excommunication that had been in place.
These differences aren’t going away anytime soon. Pray one day that we can at least receive communion in each others church.