Orthodox converts and automatic enrollment?

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Hi everyone. I have been doing some reading on Eastern Catholicism, and have learned that converts from Eastern Orthodoxy are automatically enrolled in the “Church sui iuris of the same rite” (CCEO 35). I have a question about how this works. Is each Orthodox jurisdiction tied to one particular Eastern Catholic Church?

In an American context, what would the corresponding church to the OCA be? I have always considered the OCA and the Byzantine (Ruthenian) Church to be counterparts, historically speaking. But some sources say that the corresponding church is the Russian Catholic Church.

In looking for answers to this, I often see that a Greek Orthodox layman would be enrolled in the “Greek Catholic Church”. But at least one diocese says that Greek Orthodox converts are to be enrolled in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. So is there an official list somewhere? Or is there leeway for more than one church to “correspond” to an Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction? Sorry if this question has been confusing, but I appreciate any help 🙂
 
Hi everyone. I have been doing some reading on Eastern Catholicism, and have learned that converts from Eastern Orthodoxy are automatically enrolled in the “Church sui iuris of the same rite” (CCEO 35). I have a question about how this works. Is each Orthodox jurisdiction tied to one particular Eastern Catholic Church?

In an American context, what would the corresponding church to the OCA be? I have always considered the OCA and the Byzantine (Ruthenian) Church to be counterparts, historically speaking. But some sources say that the corresponding church is the Russian Catholic Church.

In looking for answers to this, I often see that a Greek Orthodox layman would be enrolled in the “Greek Catholic Church”. But at least one diocese says that Greek Orthodox converts are to be enrolled in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. So is there an official list somewhere? Or is there leeway for more than one church to “correspond” to an Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction? Sorry if this question has been confusing, but I appreciate any help 🙂
The OCA belongs to the Russian Orthodox Church, so you will become Russian Catholic if you translate to the Catholic Church. But perhaps you can request that you be received in the Ruthenian Church since there are more Ruthenian parishes in the US, unless you are already close to 1 of the 3 Russian Catholic parishes.
 
I can visit any parish and attend any liturgical service I want to.
 
Hi everyone. I have been doing some reading on Eastern Catholicism, and have learned that converts from Eastern Orthodoxy are automatically enrolled in the “Church sui iuris of the same rite” (CCEO 35). I have a question about how this works. Is each Orthodox jurisdiction tied to one particular Eastern Catholic Church?

In an American context, what would the corresponding church to the OCA be? I have always considered the OCA and the Byzantine (Ruthenian) Church to be counterparts, historically speaking. But some sources say that the corresponding church is the Russian Catholic Church.

In looking for answers to this, I often see that a Greek Orthodox layman would be enrolled in the “Greek Catholic Church”. But at least one diocese says that Greek Orthodox converts are to be enrolled in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. So is there an official list somewhere? Or is there leeway for more than one church to “correspond” to an Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction? Sorry if this question has been confusing, but I appreciate any help 🙂
Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church ROGCC was the former name of the OCA.

ROC MP 1794-1925 (supressed) 1990 …
ROGCC 1910-1925, self: … 1970, OCA …
ROCOR 1920 …
GOA EP 1922 …
ACROD EP (from ROGCC) 1938 …

One may have to petition to transfer, regardles of where received, if a different rite is desired from the one via CCEO canon 35. (See: Comparative Sacramental Discipline in the CCEO and CIC, Canon Law Society of America, p. 255) When the CCEO code was written it was proposed to add a clause for free selection of the Church sui iuris, but this proposal was not added.

According to canon law those first baptised Orthodox are ascribed as members of the eastern Catholic Church closest to their ritual Orthodox Church, even if received into the Catholic Church at a Latin Church by Latin clergy.

So for example, from the source above:

Eastern:
Orthodox Church of America → Byzantine or Ukrainian or Russian Catholic
American Carpatho-Rusyn Orthodox → Byzantine or Slovak Catholic
Serbian Orthodox → Krizevci Catholic
Macedonian Orthodox → Macedonian Catholic
Greek Speaking Eastern Orthodox → Hellenic Greek Catholic
Arabic Speaking Eastern Orthodox → Melkite Greek Catholic
Romanian Orthodox → Romanian Catholic
Russian Orthodox → Russian Catholic
Belarussian Orthodox → Belarussian Catholic
Ukrainian Orthodox → Ukrainian Catholic
Bulgarian Orthodox → Bulganian Catholic
Hungarian Orthodox → Hungarian Catholic
Albanian Orthodox → Albanian Catholic

Oriental:
Armenian Orthodox–> Armenian Catholic
Coptic Orthodox → Coptic Catholic
Ethiopian Orthodox → Ethiopian Catholic
Syrian Orthodox → Syrian Catholic
Indian Orthodox → Syro-Malankara Catholic
Mar Thoma Syrian → Syro-Malankara Catholic
Orthodox Syrian (Jacobite) → Syro-Malankara Catholic
Malabar Independent Syrian Church (Thozhiyoor) → Syro-Malankara Catholic
Church of South India, St. Thomas → Syro-Malankara Catholic

Assyrian:
Assyrian Orthodox → Chaldean Catholic
Syrian Malabarese → Syro-Malabar Catholic
Syro-Chaldean → Syro-Malabar Catholic

Latin:
Church of South India, not St. Thomas → Latin Catholic
 
Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church ROGCC was the former name of the OCA.

ROC MP 1794-1925 (supressed) 1990 …
ROGCC 1910-1925, self: … 1970, OCA …
ROCOR 1920 …
GOA EP 1922 …
ACROD EP (from ROGCC) 1938 …
ACROD existed from 1938 - it is not a derivitive Church of or from the Metropolia nor from any of the subsequent forms of that body. In addition to those parishes which originally came together to form ACROD, other - the so-called ‘independent’ Carpatho-Rusyn parishes - subsequently came to be a part of it.
 
Orthodox Church of America → Byzantine or Ukrainian or Russian Catholic
Like I said yesterday in another forum here, in regards to basically the same question …

The OCA derived from what was the Russian Metropolia and to understand its composition one has to consider that the Metropolia was indeed originally composed of Russian Orthodox. That make-up was supplemented by Carpatho-Rusyns (Ruthenians) and Ukrainians as a consequence of the divisions that arose in the the Eastern Catholic parishes in the wake of the conflict between Archbishop John Ireland.and Father Canon Alexis Toth (later St Alexis of Wilkes-Barre). However, it also came to embrace Hungarians, Croats, and Slovaks who were among those being served by some of the Rusyn (and to a lesser extent, Ukrainian) parishes that joined the Metropolia in whole or part.

As well as those, the OCA counts Albanians, Bulgarians, and Romanians among its ethnic dioceses - so, the range of Churches to which one coming into the Catholic Communion from the OCA could be ascribed is actually broader than just the Russians, Ruthenians, and Orthodox.

However, one seeking ascription to any of those other than the Romanians, would be faced with limited options as to a community with which to worship (except in Canada, where the Slovaks have an eparchy). That does not mean that they couldn’t be ascribed to the other Churches, just that the opportunity to worship with one’s co-religionists would not necessarily exist (Slovaks and Hungarians are spiritually served by the Ruthenians in the US, as are the Croats - by a single parish; the Hungarians are served by the Ukrainians in Canada, where Ruthenians are under the care of the Slovaks).

There are no Albanian or Bulgarian Catholic parishes anywhere except in their own countries and in Rome (and maybe not in Rome for the Albanians).
One may have to petition to transfer, regardles of where received, if a different rite is desired from the one via CCEO canon 35. (See: Comparative Sacramental Discipline in the CCEO and CIC, Canon Law Society of America, p. 255)
It really isn’t necessary to make it sound so difficult.

The cited text is not dispositive and one would not have to petition transfer in any of the instances that I cited wherein one - if ascribed to the technically parallel Church to that of his or her Orthodox Church of origin - would effectively be precluded from worshipping with his or her co-religionists because there are no parishes of that Church in the country.

One can choose, in such an instance, to be ascribed to the parallel Church, despite that lack, but if one does not wish to do so, one can be received into any Church of the same Rite - albeit, preferably, one also of the same tradition - and, in some instances, even outside the Rite if there are cultural considerations.

For instance, a Syriac Orthodox being received in a country where there are no Syriac Catholic Churches could request ascription to the Maronites, Melkites, or Chaldeans, and would be enrolled as such - a Malabarese as a Malankara, or vice-versa

For this reason, the paperwork long-used (and never re-invented after Church replaced Rite as the proper terminology - and still in use, at least as of a couple years ago) merely ascribed all coming from Orthodox Churches that serve according to the Byzantine Slav Tradition to the “Byzantine Slavonic Rite” - a generic terminology historically applicable to all those Churches which serve according to either the Great Russian (Nikonian) or Little Russian (Ruthenian) Rescensions. The particulars as to which Church was meant were/are dealt with by reason of the hierarch who approves the petition.

By the same token, anyone coming from the Greek Orthodox Church would be ascribed to the Melkites without petition, if the petitioner elected to do so because of the absence of any Greek Byzantine Catholic parishes outside of Greece, Turkey, or Rome.
 
Like I said yesterday in another forum here, in regards to basically the same question …

The OCA derived from what was the Russian Metropolia and to understand its composition one has to consider that the Metropolia was indeed originally composed of Russian Orthodox. That make-up was supplemented by Carpatho-Rusyns (Ruthenians) and Ukrainians as a consequence of the divisions that arose in the the Eastern Catholic parishes in the wake of the conflict between Archbishop John Ireland.and Father Canon Alexis Toth (later St Alexis of Wilkes-Barre). However, it also came to embrace Hungarians, Croats, and Slovaks who were among those being served by some of the Rusyn (and to a lesser extent, Ukrainian) parishes that joined the Metropolia in whole or part.

As well as those, the OCA counts Albanians, Bulgarians, and Romanians among its ethnic dioceses - so, the range of Churches to which one coming into the Catholic Communion from the OCA could be ascribed is actually broader than just the Russians, Ruthenians, and Orthodox.

However, one seeking ascription to any of those other than the Romanians, would be faced with limited options as to a community with which to worship (except in Canada, where the Slovaks have an eparchy). That does not mean that they couldn’t be ascribed to the other Churches, just that the opportunity to worship with one’s co-religionists would not necessarily exist (Slovaks and Hungarians are spiritually served by the Ruthenians in the US, as are the Croats - by a single parish; the Hungarians are served by the Ukrainians in Canada, where Ruthenians are under the care of the Slovaks).

There are no Albanian or Bulgarian Catholic parishes anywhere except in their own countries and in Rome (and maybe not in Rome for the Albanians).

It really isn’t necessary to make it sound so difficult.

The cited text is not dispositive and one would not have to petition transfer in any of the instances that I cited wherein one - if ascribed to the technically parallel Church to that of his or her Orthodox Church of origin - would effectively be precluded from worshipping with his or her co-religionists because there are no parishes of that Church in the country.

One can choose, in such an instance, to be ascribed to the parallel Church, despite that lack, but if one does not wish to do so, one can be received into any Church of the same Rite - albeit, preferably, one also of the same tradition - and, in some instances, even outside the Rite if there are cultural considerations.

For instance, a Syriac Orthodox being received in a country where there are no Syriac Catholic Churches could request ascription to the Maronites, Melkites, or Chaldeans, and would be enrolled as such - a Malabarese as a Malankara, or vice-versa

For this reason, the paperwork long-used (and never re-invented after Church replaced Rite as the proper terminology - and still in use, at least as of a couple years ago) merely ascribed all coming from Orthodox Churches that serve according to the Byzantine Slav Tradition to the “Byzantine Slavonic Rite” - a generic terminology historically applicable to all those Churches which serve according to either the Great Russian (Nikonian) or Little Russian (Ruthenian) Rescensions. The particulars as to which Church was meant were/are dealt with by reason of the hierarch who approves the petition.

By the same token, anyone coming from the Greek Orthodox Church would be ascribed to the Melkites without petition, if the petitioner elected to do so because of the absence of any Greek Byzantine Catholic parishes outside of Greece, Turkey, or Rome.
That canon 35 is about ascription not worship in another Church sui iuris.
 
That canon 35 is about ascription not worship in another Church sui iuris.
Yes, it is, and my point was in regard to ascription. Reread my post. It was not about worship in the sense that one can worship in whichever Church or Rite that one chooses.

My point was that ascription is not so narrowly determined as you or the commentary would paint it. As I said, the opportunity exists (without any requirement of a formal request for canonical transfer) for an Orthodox Christian to be ascribed to a Church other than the parallel one to his Church of origin.

In those circumstances where strict application of that rule would not afford the individual any opportunity to participate in the spiritual life of the parallel Church - because it does not have any presence in the place that the individual is - he can, if he chooses, be ascribed to another Church which is of the same Rite or which shares a common cultural or ethnic heritage with the Church to which he’d otherwise be ascribed (were the rule narrowly applied).

As well, I reiterated the point that the OCA, as a Church of origin, offers significant diversity insofar as what EC Churches might be considered as appropriate for ascription of one coming from it.
 
Yes, it is, and my point was in regard to ascription. Reread my post. It was not about worship in the sense that one can worship in whichever Church or Rite that one chooses.

My point was that ascription is not so narrowly determined as you or the commentary would paint it. As I said, the opportunity exists (without any requirement of a formal request for canonical transfer) for an Orthodox Christian to be ascribed to a Church other than the parallel one to his Church of origin.

In those circumstances where strict application of that rule would not afford the individual any opportunity to participate in the spiritual life of the parallel Church - because it does not have any presence in the place that the individual is - he can, if he chooses, be ascribed to another Church which is of the same Rite or which shares a common cultural or ethnic heritage with the Church to which he’d otherwise be ascribed (were the rule narrowly applied).

As well, I reiterated the point that the OCA, as a Church of origin, offers significant diversity insofar as what EC Churches might be considered as appropriate for ascription of one coming from it.
No, it is not very narrowly determined, it takes some thought to find the Church sui iuris that most closely is the proper patrimony. The faithful can always apply for ascription to anoher Church sui iuris, I am sure that with good reason it would be granted.

And the canons do not prevent “the individual any opportunity to participate in the spiritual life of the parallel Church” as you posted. The point is that the ascription is not dependent upon having a jurisdiction of one’s ascribed Church in the place where the faithful live. In those situations, the faithful are placed in the care of the Latin Church by default, or when another eastern jurisdiction exists in the place, another eastern Church sui iuris may have been made the proper jurisdiction by the Holy See.

For example, the Russian Greek Catholic ascribed faithful in the USA are in the care of the Latin Church ordinary. On the byzcath website it states:
“There is no ecclesiastical structure for Italo-Greek-Albanian Catholics in North America; they currently fall under the jurisdiction of the local Roman Catholic ordinary. Italo-Greek Catholics in the state of Nevada are canonically part of the Eparchy of the Holy Protection of Mary of Phoenix (formerly the Eparchy of Van Nuys).”
There are also Ordinariates for the faithful of various eastern Catholic churches without their own hierarchy in a few countries*.*

An example: a Greek Orthodox coming into full communion with the Catholic Church would be ascribed to the Hellenic Catholic Church, even though, perhaps, becoming part of a Romanian Greek Catholic parish.
 
No, it is not very narrowly determined, it takes some thought to find the Church sui iuris that most closely is the proper patrimony.
“Proper” - by whose definition? Folks who wouldn’t know one iconic style from another or be able (or willing) to fully appreciate both the commonalities and differences among the Churches, even those of the same Tradition or Rite.
The faithful can always apply for ascription to anoher Church sui iuris, I am sure that with good reason it would be granted.
“apply” presupposes that one coming from Orthodoxy, whose desire is to be ascribed to a Church other than the one to which he’d be ascribed by cookie cutter mentality, must formally apply. As I’ve already said, such is not the case. “good reason” is his or her desire and does not necessitate ‘applying’.
And the canons do not prevent “the individual any opportunity to participate in the spiritual life of the parallel Church” as you posted.
Let me try different phrasing. A strict interpretation would ascribe an individual to the parallel Church, whether it has a presence in the place or not. For example, if I were Bulgarian Orthodox, embraced Catholicism, and was ascribed to the Bulgarian Byzantine Catholic Church, I would be effectively ascribed to a Church which has had no US presence for decades. I might make that choice, regardless; however, I might instead elect to be ascribed to another Church of Byzantine Rite and Slav Tradition, so as to be subject canonically and spiritually, to an Eastern hierarch.

Why? Because I may not wish to be …
placed in the care of the Latin Church by default,
Why should I? Would I be encouraged to do so by the example of the pastoral attention lavished on the spiritual needs of such Catholics currently in Latin care? Hardly.

Look at the situation of Ethiopian and Eritrean Ge’ez Catholics. There are almost 2 dozen such communities in the US, the latter being most numerous. Only about a quarter of them are pastorally served by presbyters of their Church. In the remainder, their pastoral care is shunted off to the Latin ministries of other African communities - Zambian, Ugandan, etc - or to African-American/Black Catholic parishes - folks with whom they share no common religious praxis… Somehow, that wouldn’t make me get in line to be subject to the Latins.
or when another eastern jurisdiction exists in the place, another eastern Church sui iuris may have been made the proper jurisdiction by the Holy See.

For example, the Russian Greek Catholic ascribed faithful in the USA are in the care of the Latin Church ordinary.
The sentence immediately above seems to be a non sequitor to the one preceding. However, … Rome did (a century ago) designate the Byzantine Ruthenian Church as responsible for spiritual care of Croat, Hungarian, and Slovak Byzantines in the US and, similarly, the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church as responsible for Hungarian, Ruthenian, Slovak, and Romanian Byzantines in Canada.

It hasn’t, however, done much in that line anywhere of late (or in the interim), although it has, appropriately, done the obverse in a couple instances: Slovak Byzantines in Canada were provided their own Eparchy, eventually separated from the Ukrainian Metropolia, and given care of the Ruthenians; and, most recently, Romanian Byzantines in Canada were separated from the Ukrainians and jurisdiction of the Romanian Eparchy in the US was extended to Canada.

Notably, all other instances, in which another Eastern Church has extended its omophorion or jurisdiction to the unserved faithful of an ‘orphan’ Church, have been initiated by Eastern Churches, not Rome.

Thus, paper ascription of Russian Greek-Catholics to Latin jurisdictions notwithstanding, we have the Melkites, harkening back to their historic ties with the first Russian Greek-Catholic priest, Father Nicolas Tolstoy,
  • St Andrew’s Russian (El Segundo CA) is formally under the spiritual omophorion of the Melkite Eparch and pastored by a priest of the Eparchy;
  • Our Lady of Fatima Russian (San Francisco) is informally under the spiritual omophorion of the Melkite Eparch and at least one of its priests has his faculties from the Eparchy;
  • St Michael’s Russian (NYC) is administered by a priest of the Melkite Eparchy;
  • Our Lady of Kazan (Boston), prior to suppression, was under the spiritual omophorion of the then Melkite Exarch;
  • the Russian parish in Australia is formally under the spiritual omophorion of the Melkite Eparch and pastored by a priest of the Eparchy, and,
  • the Russian parish in Brazil is under the spiritual omophorion of the Melkite Eparch and presently administered by a priest of the Eparchy.
Ss Cyril & Methodius Russian (Denver) is formally under the spiritual omophorion of the Romanian Eparch. And, a Melkite priest provided pastoral care to several small, isolated Russian Greek Catholic communities in Siberia for several years, prior to being killed.

Likewise, as you point out
“Italo-Greek Catholics in the state of Nevada are canonically part of the (Byzantine Ruthenian) Eparchy of the Holy Protection of Mary (of) Phoenix …”
And, the Melkite Eparchy in Australia affords pastoral care to the Italo-Greek community there.

And, while there are indeed
“… Ordinariates for the faithful of various eastern Catholic churches without their own hierarchy in a few countries.”
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they are, without exception, paper entities that cannot be said to do much of anything for the (mercifully) relatively few parishes subject to them.

Not sure there is much more to say. You’re pretty entrenched in your mindset and I’m getting tired of repeating myself, because you don’t want to acknowledge that everything is not as cut, dried, and pigeon-holed as some might like.
 
“Proper” - by whose definition? …

Why? Because I may not wish to be …

Why should I? Would I be encouraged to do so by the example of the pastoral attention lavished on the spiritual needs of such Catholics currently in Latin care?

they are, without exception, paper entities that cannot be said to do much of anything for the (mercifully) relatively few parishes subject to them.

Not sure there is much more to say. You’re pretty entrenched in your mindset and I’m getting tired of repeating myself, because you don’t want to acknowledge that everything is not as cut, dried, and pigeon-holed as some might like.
I see you have many true observations. I am describing the way the canon law actually are, which are defined by the Holy See, with regard to ascription. There is a church law in place that makes the Latin Church the default in care of eastern Catholics. (I have the reference if you want it.) Ascription is different than where one worships. It is based upon the patrimony. When one (adult), already validly baptised, professes to be Catholic, they are by law (not choice) ascribed to the closest patrimony, which occurs immediately. Then a request for transfer may be made. Yes the Apostolic See grants the transfers of ascription, they are not free choice.
 
Hi everyone. I have been doing some reading on Eastern Catholicism, and have learned that converts from Eastern Orthodoxy are automatically enrolled in the “Church sui iuris of the same rite” (CCEO 35). I have a question about how this works. Is each Orthodox jurisdiction tied to one particular Eastern Catholic Church?
In an American context, what would the corresponding church to the OCA be? I have always considered the OCA and the Byzantine (Ruthenian) Church to be counterparts, historically speaking. But some sources say that the corresponding church is the Russian Catholic Church.
In looking for answers to this, I often see that a Greek Orthodox layman would be enrolled in the “Greek Catholic Church”. But at least one diocese says that Greek Orthodox converts are to be enrolled in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. So is there an official list somewhere? Or is there leeway for more than one church to “correspond” to an Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction? Sorry if this question has been confusing, but I appreciate any help
There absolutely is no “official list” as to a parallel Orthodox-Eastern Catholic correlation, and it is handled strictly on a case by case basis. In the end you entirely have the ability to choose what parish you want to join. It can be geographical proximity or strictly a personal preference of community and worship. It is entirely your decision and no one can tell you or “legislate” otherwise.

The convention is simply that if one is Orthodox and one wants to come into full Eucharistic communion with the Catholic Church, that is done through one of the Eastern Catholic Churches. But even here there are exceptions, such as someone who is Western Rite Orthodox. He or she would most definitely be more at home within a Latin liturgical community.

The canon only mentions “rite”, which is a broad term actually incorporating ritual families. For example “Greek Catholic” covers all particular Churches using the Constantinopolitan tradition (“Byzantine”) in communion with Rome, and as such it is a pretty broad description including Ukrainians, Melkites, Romanians and others.

The OCA has quite a complex history and many communities are comprised of former “Ruthenian” (now BCCA) and UGCC parishes. We have a couple of ex-OCA priests serving in the UGCC. We even had a former Antiochian priest who became UGCC simply because the only regional parish was UGCC, although “technically” some may argue he should have been Melkite. But in the end it was between him and the accepting bishop, and no one else.
Slovak Byzantines in Canada were provided their own Eparchy, eventually separated from the Ukrainian Metropolia,
Technically, yes, but there is still very close relationship between the Eparchy of Toronto and Sts. Cyril and Methodius, with clergy often assisting the other. In fact Bishop +John was pastor of a UGCC parish in Winnipeg for several years. It is interesting that within the UGCC Eparchy of Toronto there is still a Hungarian deanery. Perhaps there should be something like that within the Melkite church for those Russian Catholic clergy working under the Melkite omophorion for greater organization and collaboration.
 
The Church does have some eastern canon laws on enrollment (ascription) that it applies in the case of those coming into full communion, even though one may be regularly part of a parish of a different Church than the one of ascription, or have been received into the full communion at a different Church than the one of enrollment (ascription). One enrolled (ascribed) in a Church sui iuris has a proper eparch or exarch, and hopefully a proper pastor too (if such a parish exists), based upon the domicile or quasi-domicle.

CCEO Canon 28
  1. A rite is the liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony, culture and circumstances of history of a distinct people, by which its own manner of living the faith is manifested in each Church sui iuris.
  2. The rites treated in this code, unless otherwise stated, are those which arise from the Alexandrian, Antiochene, Armenian, Chaldean and Constantinopolitan traditions.
CCEO Canon 35

Baptized non-Catholics coming into full communion with the Catholic Church should retain and practice their own rite everywhere in the world and should observe it as much as humanly possible. Thus, they are to be enrolled in the Church sui iuris of the same rite with due regard for the right of approaching the Apostolic See in special cases of persons, communities or regions.

CIC (Latin) Canon 112
2. The custom, however prolonged, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of another Ritual Church sui iuris, does not carry with it enrollment in that Church.
 
I’d just like to stop in here again and thank everyone for the replies so far. I’ve learned a lot, even if my head is still spinning 😉

In my personal case, I was baptized in the Anglican communion as an infant, before entering the Orthodox Church as an adult. If I am reading some of the previous threads on this issue correctly, this may make me canonically Latin rite in Catholic eyes. Is rite assigned at (non-Catholic) baptism, or does it change via reception into Eastern Orthodoxy? I understand that Catholics are free to worship at or be members of parishes outside of their “official” rite.
 
Vico - are you a canon lawyer?
I am not a JCL. The sources that I have posted from on this forum are for the general faithful. For example, Metropolitan Basil Scott recommended this to all the faithful for everyday practice and understanding:

Inter-Ecclesial Relations Between Eastern and Latin Catholics
(2009) ISBN 1-932208-23-2

Also excellent for comparing sacramental issues:

Comparative Sacramental Discipline in the CCEO and CIC
(2003) ISBN 1-932208-01-01
 
I’d just like to stop in here again and thank everyone for the replies so far. I’ve learned a lot, even if my head is still spinning 😉

In my personal case, I was baptized in the Anglican communion as an infant, before entering the Orthodox Church as an adult. If I am reading some of the previous threads on this issue correctly, this may make me canonically Latin rite in Catholic eyes. Is rite assigned at (non-Catholic) baptism, or does it change via reception into Eastern Orthodoxy? I understand that Catholics are free to worship at or be members of parishes outside of their “official” rite.
The ancient concept* is that one is baptised into a ritual Church (and that becomes the faithful’s enrollment). But there is a canon law that one is to be baptised into the Church of the Catholic father (or Catholic mother if the only Catholic), regardless of the actual ritual used. Permission is required to baptise in a different Catholic ritual Church, but that permission does not change the enrollment. It is also a norm to use the ritual of the Church that one is to be enrolled in.

So, the Christians validly baptized (such as Anglican) in churches that came from the Latin Church are enrolled in it, when received into the Catholic Church anywhere. A transfer can then be requested.

So the enrollment is not in a tradition or a rite, rather into a Church sui iuris.
  • I have a source for this.
 
I am not a JCL. The sources that I have posted from on this forum are for the general faithful. For example, Metropolitan Basil Scott recommended this to all the faithful for everyday practice and understanding:

Inter-Ecclesial Relations Between Eastern and Latin Catholics
(2009) ISBN 1-932208-23-2
You may have been the one whose recommendation I took it getting this when it came out a couple of years ago. It’s a useful book and not very pricey at $17. plus postage, $7.75
Also excellent for comparing sacramental issues:

Comparative Sacramental Discipline in the CCEO and CIC
(2003) ISBN 1-932208-01-01
I don’t own this, $35.00, plus postage, $7.75 Maybe I’ll add it to my wish list this Christmas. 🙂 Thanks for the reminder.
 
[In my personal case, I was baptized in the Anglican communion as an infant, before entering the Orthodox Church as an adult. If I am reading some of the previous threads on this issue correctly, this may make me canonically Latin rite in Catholic eyes. Is rite assigned at (non-Catholic) baptism, or does it change via reception into Eastern Orthodoxy? I understand that Catholics are free to worship at or be members of parishes outside of their “official” rite.
/QUOTE]
Your last ecclesial communion was Orthodox, and thus you would ideally be received as an Eastern Catholic parallel to your Orthodox ritual practice. Of course you are free to worship in whatever particular Catholic church you wish but you should make your parish home in your own particular Church.
It is good to remember that anyone can post personally selected canons or portions of directories, etc. on an Internet site, but **only **your local bishop or eparch has the authority to interpret them and apply appropriate economia. I greatly dislike all the legalisms that are often displayed on this forum by those purporting to be Eastern Christians, making us often seem more legalistic than even the Latins.
 
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