Orthodox Ecumenical Councils

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How can the Orthodox Church have a way to infallibly deal with any disputes that arise between Bishops or Priests? Don’t they believe something is infallible only if there is an Ecumenical Council and then on top of that the “faithful” have to approve of it? And can’t the Orthodox Church not have an Ecumenical Council since the Bishop of Rome would not be there?
 
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As far as I know about the beliefs of the Eastern Orthodox christians, ecumenical councils are supposed to be rare occurences. They are only to be convened if dangerous heresies and schisms are spreading throughout the church. Think of them as antibodies to dangerous pathogens. Additionally, they believe that heresies are infallibly known because they are novelties or innovations to the faith passed down. Eastern Orthodox christians, please correct me if I am wrong in my explanation about your beliefs.
 
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They (the Eastern Orthodox Church) cannot make these determinations. This is why the Orthodox Church is not the True Church. I have a fairly lengthy essay written by a friend on the exact subject of you’re interested in a further explanation of this topic.
 
How can the Orthodox Church have a way to infallibly deal with any disputes that arise between Bishops or Priests?
They break direct communion with each other until resolution is found.

It may take several years, but resolution is generally found, as the 2000 year old age of the Church attests.
 
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As an Orthodox Christian, it’s hard to take seriously someone’s essay when they can’t even bring themselves to not refer to the Orthodox without scare quotes. It certainly seems to go against the attitude of recent Popes in terms of having a charitable mindset and working towards reconciliation rather than treating us as the “other”.

On a tangent, I would be curious if your friend would allow his fellow Eastern Rite Catholics to live and believe according to their Eastern patrimony or if they must believe according to the Latin patrimony.
 
I knew I couldn’t be the only one who felt annoyed by his use of quotation marks.
 
On a tangent, I would be curious if your friend would allow his fellow Eastern Rite Catholics to live and believe according to their Eastern patrimony or if they must believe according to the Latin patrimony.
He most certainly would, and he attends Divine Liturgies semi-regularly himeself.

You speak about being charitable, but I don’t believe it is charitable to presume that one has uncharitable or selfish ulterior motives.
 
You speak about being charitable, but I don’t believe it is charitable to presume that one has uncharitable or selfish ulterior motives.
My apologies. Although I would note I am not assuming he has uncharitable motives. I have, however, observed Catholics from Eastern Rite churches told by Latin Catholics on this board that while they can have their Divine Liturgy, they had better believe according to the Latin mindset…in other words the could be Eastern on the outside, but darn well better be Latin on the inside.
 
Don’t they believe something is infallible only if there is an Ecumenical Council and then on top of that the “faithful” have to approve of it?
This process is an innovation they use to deny the reunion Councils and some of the subsequent pan-Orthodox Councils the neo-Palamites don’t like anymore. The early ecumenical Councils were not received by all the Churches–it’s why there are still Nestorian and non-Chalcedonian Churches to this day. Rather, the Churches that didn’t accept the decisions of those Councils were anathemitized and cut off from the body.

What’s currently put forth as the EO process is just a meaningless tautology that makes Councils completely pointless.

In their current system, if there is a serious doctrinal dispute as to what is the orthodox doctrine or simply a need to condemn an error, a Council could be convened (in practice, they have trouble even doing this) to consider it and pass judgment on it.

However, this judgment is not itself authoritative, but is really more of a submission to the whole Church for its judgment over some nebulous time period. Who is the whole Church we should look to? All orthodox believers, they will tell you. Who are orthodox believers? Those who believe the orthodox doctrines. But the whole point of the Council was to judge what is the orthodox doctrine–under this system, you can’t determine the orthodox doctrine without looking to orthodox believers–but you need to know the orthodox doctrine to determine who are the orthodox believers. And since the orthodox believers are already orthodox, they don’t need a Council telling them what is orthodox.

So what’s the point of the Council?

There needs to be a fixed reference point with which all the churches must agree.
 
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What exactly do you mean by “Latin mindset.”? Is this referring to adopting Latin prayers, reading from latin books on spirituality, adopting overall Latin customs, or is this referring to Easterners believing believing so-called “Latin Dogmas.”?
 
or is this referring to Easterners believing believing so-called “Latin Dogmas.”?
This. It was stated that Easterners must believe and profess the Latin expression of such things as purgatory or the immaculate conception, for example. While there’s nothing really objectionable in these, the western expression just doesn’t make sense to the East.
 
Speaking as an Eastern Catholic, I can confirm that this is a general attitude among many (dare I say “most”) Roman Catholics. We’re allowed to have our Divine Liturgies, but we’re not really Catholic if we don’t follow Thomistic theology and pray the rosary.
 
What is the difference between the “latin expression” and eastern expression of these “Latin dogmas.”?
 
About the 27th point: How do you explain pope Francis’s seemingly unorthodox teaching about the death penalty and his current statement that God willed the plurality of religions?
I am sure you may respond that the pope’s statements can be interpreted in an orthodox manner. But, the Eastern Orthodox may argue that the Roman Catholics explaining the current pope’s statements are in the same dilemma as they are supposedly in (that they epistemically can’t know which fathers to follow or what councils are ecumenical). Even if the pope’s statements are unorthodox, how does one correctly apply Vatican 1’s criteria for papal infallibility and determine if pope Francis’s statements are infallible or not? The Eastern Orthodox may even argue that the Roman Catholics arguing about which doctrines are infallible are in the same dilemma as they are.
 
As far as I know, there really isn’t an argument about whether Pope Francis’ teaching on capital punishment is an infallible one. As far as I can tell, everyone agrees that it is not.

As far as how to apply Vatican I’s criteria for infallibility, I would suggest watching a conference given by Fr. Ripperger on Magisterial Authority. It is easily available on YouTube if you search “Fr. Ripperger Magisterial Authority.” It gives a much better explanation than I can.

But just remember: there have been many papal bulls promulgated in the Church’s history, and only a few have been dogmatic.
 
Even if the pope’s statements are unorthodox, how does one correctly apply Vatican 1’s criteria for papal infallibility and determine if pope Francis’s statements are infallible or not?
It has to be a definitive/irreformable judgment for the whole Church (just like with the infallibility of an ecumenical council). The death penalty thing is by its very nature reformable, since it is explicitly intended as an application to changing circumstances–in fact, it is explicitly put forth as a reform of a prior reformable judgment intending to apply the same principles to factual circumstances. The pastors of the Church were never promised omniscience with regard to factual circumstances or perfect pastoral wisdom.

The joint statement with the Imam was clearly not an instance either. There’s no indication that it was intended as a definitive dogmatic judgment binding at the whole Church. Rejecting that ambiguous statement does not break the unity of faith. The fact that it is a joint statement with a Muslim shows it has nothing to do with definitively judging what the unity of faith requires, since no such unity is being presumed.

Ambiguous, compromise statements for the sake of peace are what got Honorius in trouble too. But despite that, his later successor, while approving of his condemnation, could still affirm:

Pope St. Agatho:
… because the true confession thereof for which Peter was pronounced blessed by the Lord of all things, was revealed by the Father of heaven, for he received from the Redeemer of all himself, by three commendations, the duty of feeding the spiritual sheep of the Church; under whose protecting shield, this Apostolic Church of his has never turned away from the path of truth in any direction of error, whose authority, as that of the Prince of all the Apostles, the whole Catholic Church, and the Ecumenical Synods have faithfully embraced, and followed in all things; and all the venerable Fathers have embraced its Apostolic doctrine, through which they as the most approved luminaries of the Church of Christ have shone; and the holy orthodox doctors have venerated and followed it, while the heretics have pursued it with false criminations and with derogatory hatred;[…]which, it will be proved, by the grace of Almighty God, has never erred from the path of the apostolic tradition, nor has she been depraved by yielding to heretical innovations, but from the beginning she has received the Christian faith from her founders, the princes of the Apostles of Christ, and remains undefiled unto the end, according to the divine promise of the Lord and Saviour himself, which he uttered in the holy Gospels to the prince of his disciples: saying, Peter, Peter, behold, Satan has desired to have you, that he might sift you as wheat; but I have prayed for you, that (your) faith fail not. And when you are converted, strengthen your brethren.
(whole thing here)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3813.htm
 
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