Orthodox have it better... (I think)

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Most Catholic churches aren’t like this, though, whereas more Orthodox churches are beautiful than ugly. Although some EO churches are not great there interiiors are STILL nicer than those of ugly Catholic churches.

My main message with regard to these ‘externals’ is this:
Although some Orthodox churches are not totally beautiful, even those are better than the Catholic churches that are ugly. It’s the same with their vestments, and the beauty of there liturgy.

I also find this- I have never heard of an EO pries teach a liberal liturgy- never.
 
031064 said:
Most Catholic churches aren’t like this, though, whereas more Orthodox churches are beautiful than ugly. Although some EO churches are not great there interiiors are STILL nicer than those of ugly Catholic churches.

My main message with regard to these ‘externals’ is this:
Although some Orthodox churches are not totally beautiful, even those are better than the Catholic churches that are ugly. It’s the same with their vestments, and the beauty of there liturgy.

I also find this- I have never heard of an EO pries teach a liberal liturgy- never.
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Our parish looks needy on the outside, but is actually very beautiful on the inside…we have it all. There are still unfortunately older priests that run form the TLM. But our mass is beautiful because of our pastor. He goes all out…but he’s a very orthodox Franciscan. My son and I serve as often as we can. We have lots of vocations fostered from our parish. Latin Catholics need to grow up and start taking ownership of the faith. fight to get back the beauty.

I’m sorry but I disagree with you. I work for a city and see lots of Orhtodox Churches in our area that are quite needy… Inside they are beautiful… But so are many Catholic parish churches. You opinion doesn’t hold water in my opinion. Your looking for excuses to run.

And I believe you are correct about the liberalness of priests. But have you ever talked much with Orhtodox priests. In my journey from a fundamental evangelica church I was seriously trying to get my wife to consider the Orhtodox Church, but she would have anything to do with them because of my experience talking via email with some of them. They were quick to judge and condemn. Very harsh. Try going to confession over seas…I’ve heard the priests are quite strict to the point of being very harsh and tend to sound uncharitable. I’ve seen posts of people being publically ridiculed while trying to be nice to an Orhtodox priest…pointing and sticking their finger in his chess as he reapeated anti-Catholic statements repeatedly. So over all the externals may be their, but what about the internals?
 
031064 said:
Most Catholic churches aren’t like this, though, whereas more Orthodox churches are beautiful than ugly. Although some EO churches are not great there interiiors are STILL nicer than those of ugly Catholic churches.

My main message with regard to these ‘externals’ is this:
Although some Orthodox churches are not totally beautiful, even those are better than the Catholic churches that are ugly. It’s the same with their vestments, and the beauty of there liturgy.

I also find this- I have never heard of an EO pries teach a liberal liturgy- never.
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Sure there are ugly modernistic churches… But its pretty simple to just go to a different one! If thats the sole thing you are judging the entire catholic faith on, then we are better off without you.
 
vocatio said:
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Wow that’s absolutely amazing!
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vocatio:
You’re obviously not thinking straight.
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That’s not very nice. 😦

I agree with you that one shouldn’t pick a Church based on aesthetics alone. That being said I still think we have you guys beat. 😛

Yours in Christ
Joe
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vocatio said:
Our parish looks needy on the outside, but is actually very beautiful on the inside…we have it all. There are still unfortunately older priests that run form the TLM. But our mass is beautiful because of our pastor. He goes all out…but he’s a very orthodox Franciscan. My son and I serve as often as we can. We have lots of vocations fostered from our parish. Latin Catholics need to grow up and start taking ownership of the faith. fight to get back the beauty.

I’m sorry but I disagree with you. I work for a city and see lots of Orhtodox Churches in our area that are quite needy… Inside they are beautiful… But so are many Catholic parish churches. You opinion doesn’t hold water in my opinion. Your looking for excuses to run.

And I believe you are correct about the liberalness of priests. But have you ever talked much with Orhtodox priests. In my journey from a fundamental evangelica church I was seriously trying to get my wife to consider the Orhtodox Church, but she would have anything to do with them because of my experience talking via email with some of them. They were quick to judge and condemn. Very harsh. Try going to confession over seas…I’ve heard the priests are quite strict to the point of being very harsh and tend to sound uncharitable. I’ve seen posts of people being publically ridiculed while trying to be nice to an Orhtodox priest…pointing and sticking their finger in his chess as he reapeated anti-Catholic statements repeatedly. So over all the externals may be their, but what about the internals?
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I’ve also head that “… like Simoniacs, they sell the gift of God; like Valesians, they castrate their guests and promote them not only to the clergy but to the episcopacy… etc, etc.”

I’ve heard, I’ve heard, I’ve heard… is there any more hearesay you would like to present in order to cast Orthodox priests in a bad light? :rolleyes: My priest is a quite well-tempered, likeable person. He takes the Faith quite seriously however he is anything but “harsh”.

My mother told me of a Catholic priest in school when she was growing up who was an awfully mean old man who once slapped a child in the face for talking while in line. It turned out she had been confiding in her friend how her father was beating her. Should I assume from that story that Catholic priests are liable to fly off the handle over anything and slap your kids? I think obviously the answer is ‘no’.
 
Well silly boy, that was my own experience if you want to chastise me. Let me add though that I also dealt with some very good orthodox people and one very decent priest that gave me good advice. I won’t post his email though for that would not be very nice since it might embarrass some orhtodox for some particular parishes experiencing financial scandals like in the Latin Church. Sin is everywhere there are people. Don’t you agree. But the experiences I’ve have for the most part shocked me. If you remember Fr. Ambros on here…I like him. I support Orhtodox and was trying to knock some sense into the Latin Catholic saying ya’ll have it better…as if that’s the method we choose a faith. This is the same philosophy Catholics use to go to Protestant ecclesialk communities. Well they can use contracdeption or they can have abortions or stupid stuff like that.

I’m sorry that you think my experience is just hearsay. Had my wife not resisted so hard I’d be Orthodox today. That is where I felt called because I feel called to the priesthood for one thing and that only made sense. I learned about the Eastern Catholic Church the hard way. So I’m still drawn to the Eastern Church and hope one day, though not likely, to be able to transfer my rite to the Byzantine Catholic Rite - maybe even be allowed to become a priest if not just a deacon. I can’t include you in on my personal conversation with the various Orhtodox priests and it wouldn’t matter because my conscience was very fundamentalilst at the time while I was studying hte ECF. I won’t waste your time by going into why I’ve returned to the Latin Church, but I will say I was draw to the Orhtodox partly for the same reason the OP states…but mine was because I didn’t want to have anything to to with the Latin Catholic Church too, because of the heresy running rampant in the Church right now. Far too many Catholics don’t konw the teachings of the Church and that is deeply disturbing. Who’s to blaim? Everyone.

I was a seminarian and I was also one of the victims discuss so often. So if anyone has a bone to pick with the Church leaders it would be me. And I live daily in much pain because I still believe God was calling me to the priesthood…and I still to this day feel the tugging to be a priesthood, not just to the diaconate. Aesthetics should not be the basis ones choice of RITE or faith…but it certainly helps that it is beautiful. I love the theology. That should be the basis in my lame opinion. My personal view of the current situation since the Great Schism is not open for discussion here, but you’d be surprized of my view. I believe as do many other Catholic friends that the Latin Church leaders are guilty of great injustices as are the Eastern Church leaders. But I will not volunteer to be in dissent against my Church Authority. God is in control. I believe there is a good chance for unity someday in the future…and a lot of folks are going to eat their pride on both sides. And when that happens…the Angels and Saints will be singing praises to God.

My main point though was overlooked…that there are many beautiful structure in the Catholic Church. Many of them are running down because the laity haven’t been supporting the Church like they should. That is wrong. So its the laity that is to blame for much of this, not just the clergy. Pray for us rather than stand against us. If you really beleive we’re at fault, pray for us to return…I’m praying for unity, not widening the gap.
 
josephdaniel29 said:
Wow that’s absolutely amazing!

That’s not very nice. 😦

I agree with you that one shouldn’t pick a Church based on aesthetics alone. That being said I still think we have you guys beat. 😛

Yours in Christ
Joe
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Joe, I told the OP that he is not thinking straight. That wasn’t meant to be unkind. I was an NCO in the Army for over 10 years and have a tendency to say things straight as I see them… Mental mapping… That is how you keep young men from doing dumb things that can get them killed. If the OP can believe erroniously that Orhtodox Churches are a criteria of changing his Rite, then what’s to keep him from going Islam or some other beautiful non-Christian faith? Too many folks on this board wear their feelings on their shoulders in hopes that someone will have the audacity to knock the chip off. That is wrong. So extend a charitable assumption before jumping on the bandwagon of accusing someone unjustly that they are not being nice. I just have a quick way of jumping to the point. I’m working on it. I was also Fundamentalist not that long ago and it may take a while to scrub all that fundamentalist jumping as well. So my opinion is that this is irrational thinking… That could only be construed as unkind if one believes thinking someone isn’t thinking straight is unkind. That’s silly to me.
 
belgianwaffles9 said:
Actually, that picture is of Byzantine CATHOLIC priests. So you can’t really use it as evidence that the Orthodox have it better :o
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  1. the picture is not of Byzantine Catholics. That’s Patriarch Pavle of the Serbian Orthodox Church in the middle.
  2. St. Peter’s Basilica had originally belong to the EO (Patriarch of Constantinople). Each of the five Patriarchates of the old order (taxis) had a church presence in Rome. You can tell that it was by the typical domes the EO’s use in all their churches.
 
Pravoslavac said:
  1. the picture is not of Byzantine Catholics. That’s Patriarch Pavle of the Serbian Orthodox Church in the middle.
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Might be true, I have seen pictures of P. Pavle and it could be him but it might not be. I could not know unless I knew the source of the picture.
  1. St. Peter’s Basilica had originally belong to the EO (Patriarch of Constantinople). Each of the five Patriarchates of the old order (taxis) had a church presence in Rome. You can tell that it was by the typical domes the EO’s use in all their churches.
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100% not true. St. Peter’s Basilica is a “basilica”. This means the it was payed for by a monarch, in this case the POPE, for the use of the People. A Basilica is a “public” building. This is why there is no Bishop who has a permanent see at St. Peter’s, not even the Pope. The Pope’s Cathedral is St. John Lateran. No Bishop, not the Pope, not the Patriarch of Constantinople, not the Basilaeous of Greece, NO ONE has ever held Title to St. Peter’s. St. Peter’s Basilica is for the use of all Christian faithfull around the world. Now, since the Pope is the rightful leader of all Christian Faithful around the world, it makes perfect sense for him to often celebrate mass at St. Peter’s.
 
Not only can you find beautiful churches and shrines in the Latin Rite Catholic Church all over the world, you can find it in your own back yard as well. The EO do have beautiful sites and churches as well but so does the Latin Rite Catholic Church.

This is a church very close to me where I attended a daily Mass about a week ago. It is absolutely awe inspiring. I felt humbled and at the same time filled with joy to be in the presence of our Eucharistic Lord in this beautiful church building. Check it out and tell me that this isn’t gorgeous.

discoveret.org/holyghst/art.htm

In Christ,
Josh
 
My fellow brothers and sisters in christ…why are we even having this discussion…God only wants our whole being…to love him, serve hima and love one another…

So what if some church look prettier than others…the most important thing is that God is present everywhere
 
Claudius said:
100% not true. St. Peter’s Basilica is a “basilica”. This means the it was payed for by a monarch, in this case the POPE, for the use of the People. A Basilica is a “public” building. This is why there is no Bishop who has a permanent see at St. Peter’s, not even the Pope. The Pope’s Cathedral is St. John Lateran. No Bishop, not the Pope, not the Patriarch of Constantinople, not the Basilaeous of Greece, NO ONE has ever held Title to St. Peter’s. St. Peter’s Basilica is for the use of all Christian faithfull around the world. Now, since the Pope is the rightful leader of all Christian Faithful around the world, it makes perfect sense for him to often celebrate mass at St. Peter’s.
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Claudius, here you go…

home.newadvent.org/cathen/02325a.htm

It clearly states that St Peter’s is the patriarchal basilica for the Patriarch of Constantinople.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Does this thread have to come to*** that***?
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Yes, enough to both sides. I too thought this was a Melkite (Catholic) photo, because I found it posted on a blog discussing the blogger’s visit to a Byzantine Catholic Church. However, when I checked the original source of the photo (you can easily do this on almost any photo online, by right-clicking on it and clicking “properties” to get the original URL), I found it was from an Orthodox church.

So it’s the blogger who misidentified the photo who’s at fault, not anyone here. I say let it go. 👍
 
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