Orthodox Jews and Zionism

[AaronsStaff]

I understand that Orthodox Jews do not believe that the prophecy in Ezekiel 38 about the return of Israel was not fulfilled in 1948. Could an Orthdox Jew or someone who knows their stance, explain to me their views on this, and how they believe this prophecy is to be interprated, and their over all view of zionism.
For the record im Catholic, and Im trying to find a way to respond to evangelicals who are obsessed with Bible prophecy concerning the middleeast.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

I understand that Orthodox Jews do not believe that the prophecy in Ezekiel 38 about the return of Israel was not fulfilled in 1948. Could an Orthdox Jew or someone who knows their stance, explain to me their views on this, and how they believe this prophecy is to be interprated, and their over all view of zionism.
For the record im Catholic, and Im trying to find a way to respond to evangelicals who are obsessed with Bible prophecy concerning the middleeast.

The Orthodox Jewish stance is that the Messiah must restore the Kingdom. Not that some don’t think it a problem to help him along: the Lubavithers had/have a home just like that in NY for the mshioh to come. (remember all that pushing of Christ in the Gospels?). In other words, when the messiah comes and restores the kingdom of the jews, he will ingather the exiles.

The Orthodox Christian stance is that the David Covenant has been fulfilled, the episcopal Throne of St. James the Brother of God will stand for all generations, and God got out of the real estate business.

 

[Yerusalyim]

ISA is essentially correct with the noted exception that the Lubavichers are Hasidic…or Ultra Orthodox Jews and are decidely NOT zionists…though some have immigrated to Israel. I know several Orthodox Jews that have immigrated and even speak in terms of Aylia…or being “called up”…but I think many Orthodox Jews don’t really look at this in terms of strictly Messianic Prophecy.

 

[Zahava]

I understand that Orthodox Jews do not believe that the prophecy in Ezekiel 38 about the return of Israel was not fulfilled in 1948. Could an Orthdox Jew or someone who knows their stance, explain to me their views on this, and how they believe this prophecy is to be interprated, and their over all view of zionism.
For the record im Catholic, and Im trying to find a way to respond to evangelicals who are obsessed with Bible prophecy concerning the middleeast.

Aaron, take a look at verse 16. And you will ascend upon My people Israel like a cloud to cover the earth; at the end of days it will be, and I shall bring you upon My land in order that the nations recognize Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.

The Nations do not recognize the one true G-d yet. The Final war of Gog and Magog has not taken place yet. Perez is believed to be what the christians call the anti-christ - what Jews call the one that is against the Almighty. He preaches peace but he stands for the eradaction of everything holy in Judaism. He will fall.

 

[AaronsStaff]

Ive read and heard somthings that Bible scholars are trying to prove. They are trying to name the nations that will attack Israel, here are some example that Magog is Russia, Perisa is Iran, and Gomer is Turkey. Im asking, do the Jews take these names to literally mean these nations, or are these scholars mis-reading the prophet ezekiel, and trying twist this prophecy?

 

[AaronsStaff]

Aaron, take a look at verse 16. And you will ascend upon My people Israel like a cloud to cover the earth; at the end of days it will be, and I shall bring you upon My land in order that the nations recognize Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.

The Nations do not recognize the one true G-d yet. The Final war of Gog and Magog has not taken place yet. Perez is believed to be what the christians call the anti-christ - what Jews call the one that is against the Almighty. He preaches peace but he stands for the eradaction of everything holy in Judaism. He will fall.

From a Christian perspective this has already happened, we believe the promise God made to Abraham, that “All nations shall be blessed through you” has already been fulfilled, starting with St. Paul’s work of speading the gospel of Christ to the gentiles.
As Jesus called him, “A light to the Gentiles.”

 

[Zahava]

From a Christian perspective this has already happened, we believe the promise God made to Abraham, that “All nations shall be blessed through you” has already been fulfilled, starting with St. Paul’s work of speading the gospel of Christ to the gentiles.
As Jesus called him, “A light to the Gentiles.”

Yes, I realize that christians believe this - but being that the Final War has not take place as the verse states will happen how can Christians believe this?