Orthodox Priests in Detroit are "Under Siege"

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BayCityRickL:
My desk is overflowing and I’ve misplaced a meeting announcement. But, the idea is, sometime soon in Troy, MI I think B. Gumbleton is going to have a meeeting on the vision of Bishop Ken Untener.

If you want the whole nine yards of liberal nonsense, locate this meeting and “be there.”
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Why doesn’t this surprise me?? 😦
 
Detroit Sue:
Let me guess… St.Albert the Great? Fr. Dan? 🙂
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Hi Sue, Just a question. Our bishop recently died, and a bishop Leonard Blair replaced him. Bishop Blair was from the Detroit area. Do you know anything about his past? Was he liberal or conservative? You can e-mail me if you like. God bless
 
I live in the Diocese of Rochester, New York. Bishop Matthew Clark is certainly well loved by the most liberal of “Catholics”. There are terrible things going on here with his full knowledge and support.

We must remember that as Bishops, these men were chosen by God himself to be here in this place at this time. This is His Church, we are his humble servants. These problem did not start yesterday, but 30 or more years ago, when I, for one, thought little about it. I let it happen. My personal response is to try to become as holy as God wants me to be

Bishop Clark, as with the other Bishops, I am sure, think he is doing the right thing. I know that he is well meaning, even if he is terribly wrong. These men have a TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBLITY and we must pray that God will have mercy on them. We must forgive them so that we can be forgiven.

On the other side, Bishop Clark has done some things that have made the liberals in this diocese scream. He approved the building of a new church where altar rails were installed! He has allowed the Latin Mass to be said in one or two parishes, and now he has given “some” support to the new local Catholic radio station.

It is my understanding that the most important reform movements over the years have started from the bottom of the Church. Orthodox priests and parishoners must remember the exhoration of the Lord: “Blessed are you when…men hate you on account of the Son of Man”. This humiliation, this suffering is actually a blessing for us, a chance to suffer for His sake.

I understand completely, the frustration. For me in this desert, there is no place to run. I cannot, unfortunately, take 4 hours on Sunday morning to drive to and from and celebrate Mass in a place where it is celebrated faithfully.

I could go on and on about the specific abuses that happen here.

Please remember that the “Gates of Hell” will not prevail. We must pick up our Cross and offer the little sacrifices that come our way each and every day for the renewal of our Church that is so long overdue, but is surely coming.

May God Bless all of you and give you peace.
 
kmmd, that was a very kind and charitable post. It certainly gave me pause to continue to build my interior life.

You are right - the gates of hell will NOT prevail. I’ve tried 3 times to type this senctence, and everything sounded trite. Yes, the best thing to do is “pray, hope and don’t worry,” just like my own sig line says. Sometimes it’s hard to have the fallen nature want to pursue “justice,” and our higher nature to wait and let God handle this.

Thank you.

God bless,
Sue
 
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BayCityRickL:
My desk is overflowing and I’ve misplaced a meeting announcement. But, the idea is, sometime soon in Troy, MI I think B. Gumbleton is going to have a meeeting on the vision of Bishop Ken Untener.

If you want the whole nine yards of liberal nonsense, locate this meeting and “be there.”
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That would be an ‘interesting’ meeting. I live in the Troy area. :rolleyes:
 
FWIW,

I had a meeting downtown yesterday, and being downtown allowed me to get to Sacred Heart rather early for my Mon. class

I decided to spend the time in the Chapel, and what a treat it was.

The SHMS Schola was practicing! So while I was in Adoration, the whole Chapel was filled with Chant and Sacred Polyphony.

Man can those guys sing!!
 
I was on the www.aodonline.org site and saw that both Bp Gumbleton and Cardinal Maida will turn 75 in the next few months, I’ve been told that Canon 401.1 of church law mandates that resignation be submitted by age 75, but does not have to be accepted. Is this correct?
 
Chris in Mich:
I was on the www.aodonline.org site and saw that both Bp Gumbleton and Cardinal Maida will turn 75 in the next few months, I’ve been told that Canon 401.1 of church law mandates that resignation be submitted by age 75, but does not have to be accepted. Is this correct?
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Cardinals have to rule until 80, not 75. So 5 more years of Cardinal Maida but Bp.Gumbellton,because he is only an auxiliary bishop will have to retire at age 75…
 
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katolik:
Cardinals have to rule until 80, not 75. So 5 more years of Cardinal Maida but Bp.Gumbellton,because he is only an auxiliary bishop will have to retire at age 75…
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Katolik: With respect, are you sure about this? I thought all ordinaries/metropolitans had to submit their resignations at 75, cardinal or not. Cardinal Maida can vote in papal elections until he’s 80. Is that what you meant?
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Katolik: With respect, are you sure about this? I thought all ordinaries/metropolitans had to submit their resignations at 75, cardinal or not. Cardinal Maida can vote in papal elections until he’s 80. Is that what you meant?
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Nope Cardinals "work’ until their 80th year. this is what I mean. They have an exception form ze rule
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Katolik: With respect, are you sure about this? I thought all ordinaries/metropolitans had to submit their resignations at 75, cardinal or not. Cardinal Maida can vote in papal elections until he’s 80. Is that what you meant?
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 This is correct. All bishops, from auxiliary to the highest cardinal (except for the Pope) must submit their resignations on their 75th birthday. However, the Pope need not accept their resignations, but "will make provision after he has examined all the circumstances." CIC 401.1.

 Cardinals are usually allowed to keep their posts well beyond age 75, provided they are in good health. But that is not always the case. A check of [www.catholic-hierarchy.org](http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/) reveals that there are many voting cardinals who are otherwise retired. Some non-cardinal bishops also keep their posts until the Pope decides on a successor, which can sometimes take awhile. Unusually, though, Archbishop Weakland of Milwaukee and Bishop Sullivan of Richmond had their resignations accepted long before their successors were named, leaving their dioceses vacant. :hmmm:
-Illini
 
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Illini:
Unusually, though, Archbishop Weakland of Milwaukee and Bishop Sullivan of Richmond had their resignations accepted long before their successors were named, leaving their dioceses vacant. :hmmm:

-Illini
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Let us pause in holy silence and ponder why.
 
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Faustina:
I am still a little mystified as how the heirarchy in the Church works. I know there are the priest and then bishops, who have the authority over the diocese. After that I am a little lost. What I am asking is after the Bishop, who is next up the ladder? Who approves the final appointment for a bishop? Is there any type of recourse for this?
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The Holy Father is the final arbiter. And yes, there is recourse. I’ve explained what happened in our diocese in this previous thread. We’ve been told by Rome how to get an orthodox replacement.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=297819#post297819
 
Chris in Mich:
Can anyone enlighten me on exactly how retirement works? I thought that Bishop’s and Cardinal’s had to resign by their 75th birthday, but that the resignation did not have to be accepted. I believe even Cardinal Maida is now in his 70’s. What are the chances that someone like Fr. Perrone who was ordained in the 70’s but is very orthodox becoming a bishop?
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The Bishop must send in his letter of resignation but the Pope does not have to accept it or he can accept it quickly. People shouldn’t wait until their bishops are ready to retire to start lobbying for an orthodox replacement. You never know when your bishop might be caught in a scandal or even kill somebody in a DUI accident!
 
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BayCityRickL:
My desk is overflowing and I’ve misplaced a meeting announcement. But, the idea is, sometime soon in Troy, MI I think B. Gumbleton is going to have a meeeting on the vision of Bishop Ken Untener.

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most people have visions of the Virgin Mary, trust B Gumbleton to have visions of B Untener, can’t wait to hear the “locutions”
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Were I single and had a vocation to the priesthood, I would run to the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) as fast as I could.

May we all pray for this new breed of orthodox priests that they may return Holy Mother Church to Tradition!
 
Chris in Mich:
I was on the www.aodonline.org site and saw that both Bp Gumbleton and Cardinal Maida will turn 75 in the next few months, I’ve been told that Canon 401.1 of church law mandates that resignation be submitted by age 75, but does not have to be accepted. Is this correct?
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I’m not too sure how quickly Bp. Gumbleton’s ‘retirement’ would be accepted.

Right now, he’s assigned to St. Leo’s as pastor. That keeps him somewhat under control and officially under an Ordinary. I think the last thing that anyone wants is to have him freed to jet set around the globe causing mischief and accountable to no one.

I myself would much rather see him at St. Leo’s and doing the yearly ‘Confirmation tour’ until he’s stuck in a wheelchair in a nursing home.
 
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Brendan:
Right now, he’s assigned to St. Leo’s as pastor. That keeps him somewhat under control and officially under an Ordinary. I think the last thing that anyone wants is to have him freed to jet set around the globe causing mischief and accountable to no one.
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From what I know of Bishop Gumbleton, he already spends far too much time making a name for himself around the world. I have seen little done to keep him “under control”.

However, since John Kerry lost the election and Proposal 2 passed in Michigan, I have been happy to see the absence of his disgusting editorial letters in the Free Press.
 
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Brendan:
I’m not too sure how quickly Bp. Gumbleton’s ‘retirement’ would be accepted.

Right now, he’s assigned to St. Leo’s as pastor. That keeps him somewhat under control and officially under an Ordinary. I think the last thing that anyone wants is to have him freed to jet set around the globe causing mischief and accountable to no one.

I myself would much rather see him at St. Leo’s and doing the yearly ‘Confirmation tour’ until he’s stuck in a wheelchair in a nursing home.
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Once again, please go to this link to see how we got Rome to accept our bishops retirement letter within about 6 or 7 months after his birthday. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthre…7819#post297819

It might have happened a little sooner had we launched our full out fight a little sooner! We were the ones blessed by Bishop Vigneron. Sorry Detroit! I’m sorry to keep repeating myself but this Cardinal Ratzinger told us that this tactic was the way to go.
 
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