Orthodox Reunion

[salvereginadude]

In light of recent developments that seem to suggest that hope of unity between Catholics and Orthodox may actually be a future reliaty; if the Orthodox did agree to reunite with the Roman See how would this change the way things are run now? What would it mean for the Catholic and Orthodox Churches? How would the role of the Pope change?

 

[Catherine_Grant]

To discuss the unity of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches would mean the thread needs to be moved to Non-Catholic Religions.

To discuss the role the Eastern Catholic churches will play in unity between them, the affects unity will have on Eastern Catholics, or to gain the perspective of Eastern Catholics on the issue of Catholic and Orthodox unity, it would stay here in Eastern Catholicism.

What is your intent for the thread?

 

[Alexius]

In light of recent developments that seem to suggest that hope of unity between Catholics and Orthodox may actually be a future reliaty; if the Orthodox did agree to reunite with the Roman See how would this change the way things are run now? What would it mean for the Catholic and Orthodox Churches? How would the role of the Pope change?

What developments make you think reunion is closer?

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[salvereginadude]

What developments make you think reunion is closer?

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

Well, even though it is a small step forward; the fact that the Orthodox have now agreed that the Pope has primacy over all other bishops, although, how this primacy is excercised is the big question which will have to be debated for quite some time.

 

[Alexius]

Well, even though it is a small step forward; the fact that the Orthodox have now agreed that the Pope has primacy over all other bishops, although, how this primacy is excercised is the big question which will have to be debated for quite some time.

This may seem like a step forward, but in fact, it is nothing new. The Orthodox have always held that the Bishop of Rome has primacy. This primacy; however, is one of honor, not jurisdiction. Therefore, they do not believe in Papal Supremecy (that the Pope has jurisdiction over all other bishops), nor do they believe in his infallibility (that is by far the hardest one to swallow, as many Catholics don’t even believe it).

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[paarsurrey]

This may seem like a step forward, but in fact, it is nothing new. The Orthodox have always held that the Bishop of Rome has primacy. This primacy; however, is one of honor, not jurisdiction. Therefore, they do not believe in Papal Supremecy (that the Pope has jurisdiction over all other bishops), nor do they believe in his infallibility (that is by far the hardest one to swallow, as many Catholics don’t even believe it).

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

Hi

One of my friends in another forum(CARM- Protestant) has opined :

Protestants, Catholics, and Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot unite because each is an entirely separate religion and none of them can coexist. Neither Catholicism nor Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christian. They are both apostate and teach completely heretical doctrine; therefore they shouldn’t be considered Christian denominations.
christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=81506&page=9

Hi

I thought that to start with Orthodox and Catholics are to unite very ealrly, to start with.

Do you think in view of the above quoted opinion that Orthodox and Catholics consider one another as separate religions?

Then how would you visualize United Christendum?

Thanks

 

[bobzills]

Do you think in view of the above quoted opinion that Orthodox and Catholics consider one another as separate religions?

Then how would you visualize United Christendum?

Thanks

I don’t see union coming soon. Some, like for example, the nephew of Constantine, Julian II, encouraged disunity. As the great fourth century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus has noted, “Utque dispositorum robaret effectum, dissidentes Christianorum antistites cum plebe discissa in palatium intromissis, menebat civilius, ut discordiis consopitis, quisque nullo vetante, religioni suae serviret intrepidus. Quod agebat ideo obstinate, ut dissensiones augente licentia, non timeret unianimantem postea plebem, nullas infestas hominibus bestias, ut sunt sibi ferales plerique Christianorum expertus.” (22.5.3-4)

 

[paarsurrey]

I don’t see union coming soon. Some, like for example, the nephew of Constantine, Julian II, encouraged disunity. As the great fourth century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus has noted, “Utque dispositorum robaret effectum, dissidentes Christianorum antistites cum plebe discissa in palatium intromissis, menebat civilius, ut discordiis consopitis, quisque nullo vetante, religioni suae serviret intrepidus. Quod agebat ideo obstinate, ut dissensiones augente licentia, non timeret unianimantem postea plebem, nullas infestas hominibus bestias, ut sunt sibi ferales plerique Christianorum expertus.” (22.5.3-4)

Hi

Kindly translate the passage into English.

Thanks

 

[Hesychios]

I don’t see union coming soon. Some, like for example, the nephew of Constantine, Julian II, encouraged disunity. As the great fourth century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus has noted, “Utque dispositorum robaret effectum, dissidentes Christianorum antistites cum plebe discissa in palatium intromissis, menebat civilius, ut discordiis consopitis, quisque nullo vetante, religioni suae serviret intrepidus. Quod agebat ideo obstinate, ut dissensiones augente licentia, non timeret unianimantem postea plebem, nullas infestas hominibus bestias, ut sunt sibi ferales plerique Christianorum expertus.” (22.5.3-4)

I cannot read the quote, so I will not comment on that.

But what does Julian the Apostate have to do with this discussion

Michael

 

[bobzills]

But what does Julian the Apostate have to do with this discussion

Michael

Hi Michael:
It is just an example of an individual in history who did not like unity between Christians. The question comes up as to whether we still have such individuals today. Thanks. Here is a loose translation:
“[Julian]…summoned to the palace the bishop of the Christians, who were of conflicting opinions, and the people, who also were at variance, and politely advised them to lay aside their differences, and each fearlessly and without opposition to observe his own beliefs. On this he took a firm stand, to the end that, as this freedom increased their dissension, he might afterwards have no fear of a united populace, knowing as he did from experience that no wild beasts are such enemies to mankind as are most of the Christians in their deadly hatred of one. another.”